Alonso Missing Monaco to do Indy 500
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We could have Tilke design us an oval with no walls and a mile of run-off either end.
My memory is poor, but wasn't the oval the cause of the tyre debacle at the 05 USGP? Can you imagine telling the Indy guys you'd like tyres that fall off an edge to make more of a spectacle?
How on the edge would that corvette safety car have been? I'm sure in F1 the guys are caning it but are still too slow for the F1 cars to avoid suffering.
My memory is poor, but wasn't the oval the cause of the tyre debacle at the 05 USGP? Can you imagine telling the Indy guys you'd like tyres that fall off an edge to make more of a spectacle?
How on the edge would that corvette safety car have been? I'm sure in F1 the guys are caning it but are still too slow for the F1 cars to avoid suffering.
jsf said:
ash73 said:
jsf said:
What you suggested is not motorsport.
It wouldn't work in club racing, never mind F1.
Look if your brain is so small you can't possibly imagine how it could work that's your problem; and meanwhile we're stuck with a sport where only two cars can win, and two of the four drivers are support staff.It wouldn't work in club racing, never mind F1.
Having said that, quite clearly no manufacturer would be interested in such a scenario, but you could have chosen your words a little more 'kindly'
ash73 said:
jsf said:
What you suggested is not motorsport.
It wouldn't work in club racing, never mind F1.
Look if your brain is so small you can't possibly imagine how it could work that's your problem; and meanwhile we're stuck with a sport where only two cars can win, and two of the four drivers are support staff.It wouldn't work in club racing, never mind F1.
hunter 66 said:
After seeing that crash ......not sure the F1 stars would be that keen ... this can hurt ..... when you are paid to race at 80 mph average for millions why risk racing at 220 mph average
Give it a couple of centuries at this rate and F1 at Monaco will catch up. And a dry day.
Ok, maybe not.
rubystone said:
jsf said:
ash73 said:
jsf said:
What you suggested is not motorsport.
It wouldn't work in club racing, never mind F1.
Look if your brain is so small you can't possibly imagine how it could work that's your problem; and meanwhile we're stuck with a sport where only two cars can win, and two of the four drivers are support staff.It wouldn't work in club racing, never mind F1.
Having said that, quite clearly no manufacturer would be interested in such a scenario, but you could have chosen your words a little more 'kindly'
He was and is talking nonsense.
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...as did Button in his interview with Coulthard at the weekend. Both said it was a bit too dangerous.
Not many F1 drivers would take on the Indy 500 which is why I have even more respect to Alonso.
It is good to see a driver actually wanting to drive for the thrill.
In the past you would respect F1 drivers for what they went out and did each race knowing it was highly dangerous.
The accident Pascal Wehrlein had was a joke and everyone was on how dangerous it was.
F1 has become a kindergarten and it is a joke.
This is why it is now full of kids.
...as did Button in his interview with Coulthard at the weekend. Both said it was a bit too dangerous.
Not many F1 drivers would take on the Indy 500 which is why I have even more respect to Alonso.
It is good to see a driver actually wanting to drive for the thrill.
In the past you would respect F1 drivers for what they went out and did each race knowing it was highly dangerous.
The accident Pascal Wehrlein had was a joke and everyone was on how dangerous it was.
F1 has become a kindergarten and it is a joke.
This is why it is now full of kids.
ELUSIVEJIM]uprabob said:
...as did Button in his interview with Coulthard at the weekend. Both said it was a bit too dangerous.
Not many F1 drivers would take on the Indy 500 which is why I have even more respect to Alonso.
It is good to see a driver actually wanting to drive for the thrill.
In the past you would respect F1 drivers for what they went out and did each race knowing it was highly dangerous.
The accident Pascal Wehrlein had was a joke and everyone was on how dangerous it was.
F1 has become a kindergarten and it is a joke.
This is why it is now full of kids.
Quite vociferous on this, cross posting three threads earlier today about how much more respect you have for indycar drivers etc etc. Not many F1 drivers would take on the Indy 500 which is why I have even more respect to Alonso.
It is good to see a driver actually wanting to drive for the thrill.
In the past you would respect F1 drivers for what they went out and did each race knowing it was highly dangerous.
The accident Pascal Wehrlein had was a joke and everyone was on how dangerous it was.
F1 has become a kindergarten and it is a joke.
This is why it is now full of kids.
Fair enough.
So you're saying that F1 is no thrill compared to Indycar, that the crashes aren't dramatic enough?
How about this then. Bourdais had the rear end step out and from that point on he was destined to hit the wall very hard, whatever he did. Isn't that maybe a bit stupid? I don't see how apparently random crashes in which the driver could well be seriously injured or killed heightens the enjoyment of the sport?
And going back to your last remark. Guess what- 'kids' are the least risk averse. The youngest driver on the grid is among the ballsiest. What you're saying is literally the opposite.
HustleRussell said:
Quite vociferous on this, cross posting three threads earlier today about how much more respect you have for indycar drivers etc etc.
Fair enough.
So you're saying that F1 is no thrill compared to Indycar, that the crashes aren't dramatic enough?
How about this then. Bourdais had the rear end step out and from that point on he was destined to hit the wall very hard, whatever he did. Isn't that maybe a bit stupid? I don't see how apparently random crashes in which the driver could well be seriously injured or killed heightens the enjoyment of the sport?
And going back to your last remark. Guess what- 'kids' are the least risk averse. The youngest driver on the grid is among the ballsiest. What you're saying is literally the opposite.
Crashes are not dramatic enough??Fair enough.
So you're saying that F1 is no thrill compared to Indycar, that the crashes aren't dramatic enough?
How about this then. Bourdais had the rear end step out and from that point on he was destined to hit the wall very hard, whatever he did. Isn't that maybe a bit stupid? I don't see how apparently random crashes in which the driver could well be seriously injured or killed heightens the enjoyment of the sport?
And going back to your last remark. Guess what- 'kids' are the least risk averse. The youngest driver on the grid is among the ballsiest. What you're saying is literally the opposite.
Yes Bourdais crash was a bad one but that is the risk he is willing to play to get the ultimate thrill. This is why I have huge respect for him wanting to take part. They know the wall is there but they still race.
Many ask why anyone on a motorbike would enter the Isle of Man TT each year when there is a high chance of not coming home. But taking a bike to the ultimate edge of racing around street roads makes these guys hero's and they want to do it.
Compared to the past F1 is extremely safe. The circuits are very safe and many are spoilt by changes.
F1 is not what it once was. Even in the 90's you still had a lot of respect for what the drivers were doing every time they got into a car.
Many racers want the ultimate thrill. I just don't feel F1 has that edge anymore.
Personally I never want to see drivers or riders being killed. That is not what anyone wants.
But I have more respect for drivers or riders willing to put their life on the line to enter an event.
Finally I agree Verstappen is a breath of fresh air in F1 but he is in a car which he knows if he makes a mistake 99% of the time he is fine.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 29th May 23:40
Well F1, WEC and Formula E have met at Monaco to harmonise their calendars to avoid clashes. So LM24 and Canada should go their separate ways.
However, given how popular this whole enterprise has been I can see a couple of longish gaps being left with some of the European races being squashed closer together
However, given how popular this whole enterprise has been I can see a couple of longish gaps being left with some of the European races being squashed closer together
Vocal Minority said:
Well F1, WEC and Formula E have met at Monaco to harmonise their calendars to avoid clashes. So LM24 and Canada should go their separate ways.
However, given how popular this whole enterprise has been I can see a couple of longish gaps being left with some of the European races being squashed closer together
Another idea would be to have fewer F1 races. I think it's generally accepted that there are too many now. However, given how popular this whole enterprise has been I can see a couple of longish gaps being left with some of the European races being squashed closer together
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