SKY & Ted Kravitz ?
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Crafty_ said:
Crofty - I don't get the criticism, he's lead commentator, he's meant to shout. Walker shouted a lot, made mistakes and talked utter rubbish at times but he still gets nothing but praise ? I don't see the difference (other than grumpier viewers nowadays...)
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There's a big difference. MW, like the team who do the MotoGP or say the guys doing the Aussie V8's are passionate fans first, commentators second and it comes across the to viewer. They are all very shouty, but they are shouting about the skill, the move or the emotion they are experiencing. They are shouting about what you the viewer/fan is thinking; it places you at the race, sharing the experience with them. It's relatable, engaging and adds a lot to the whole viewing experience..
Crofty on the other hand simply shouts out what is literally happening on the TV screen in front of you, not 'about' what is happening on the TV screen. Yes Crofty, I can see that he is he is running down the inside, I don't need you shouting that obvious fact AT me.
Brundle is an excellent commentator. Obviously he has the experience and knowledge, but it is his turn of phrase and ability to condense explanations into simple, short 'straight to the scene of the accident' soundbites.
ben5575 said:
Crofty on the other hand simply shouts out what is literally happening on the TV screen in front of you, not 'about' what is happening on the TV screen. Yes Crofty, I can see that he is he is running down the inside, I don't need you shouting that obvious fact AT me.
This. In Australia he was shouting his head off about three cars painted in bright colours being side by side. He adds no insight whatsoever.ben5575 said:
There's a big difference. MW, like the team who do the MotoGP or say the guys doing the Aussie V8's are passionate fans first, commentators second and it comes across the to viewer. They are all very shouty, but they are shouting about the skill, the move or the emotion they are experiencing. They are shouting about what you the viewer/fan is thinking; it places you at the race, sharing the experience with them. It's relatable, engaging and adds a lot to the whole viewing experience.
Crofty on the other hand simply shouts out what is literally happening on the TV screen in front of you, not 'about' what is happening on the TV screen. Yes Crofty, I can see that he is he is running down the inside, I don't need you shouting that obvious fact AT me.
Brundle is an excellent commentator. Obviously he has the experience and knowledge, but it is his turn of phrase and ability to condense explanations into simple, short 'straight to the scene of the accident' soundbites.
Right, but what about the walkerisms "The car is unique, except for the one behind it". Very insightful eh ?Crofty on the other hand simply shouts out what is literally happening on the TV screen in front of you, not 'about' what is happening on the TV screen. Yes Crofty, I can see that he is he is running down the inside, I don't need you shouting that obvious fact AT me.
Brundle is an excellent commentator. Obviously he has the experience and knowledge, but it is his turn of phrase and ability to condense explanations into simple, short 'straight to the scene of the accident' soundbites.
Crafty_ said:
I think the Sky coverage is the best we've ever had to be honest.
Brundle being outspoken is nothing new, he's made some quiet strong remarks about F1 failing in terms of the "show" before. I can't think of any comments made this year that make him "a grumpy old man".
Hill was very uncomfortable in front of the camera to begin with, but he's much more at ease now and I find hi comments interesting.
Symonds is a good addition, I've listened to podcasts with him before, strikes me as a person you could chat with over a pint and come away with some great stories.
Davidson, on his ipad thing is always good to listen to.
Herbert sometimes speaks before he's engaged his brain, which actually gets entertaining, he's already been reminded of his Alonso comments this weekend
I suppose you could call him the village idiot, but he's got an awful long way to go to match Eddie Jordan on that score.
Crofty - I don't get the criticism, he's lead commentator, he's meant to shout. Walker shouted a lot, made mistakes and talked utter rubbish at times but he still gets nothing but praise ? I don't see the difference (other than grumpier viewers nowadays...)
The best thing that Sky to do change the team every so often - not all of them are at every race, I think it helps to keep things fresh.
I think you're right on all of those points actually. I think that Sky strike the right balance and use Lazenby to bring it down to a level where the 'man in the street' can relate to. Not every viewer is as interested in the minutae and technical elements as those of us on here are, even though we know that this detail makes the enjoyment of the spectacle so much better, right? Brundle being outspoken is nothing new, he's made some quiet strong remarks about F1 failing in terms of the "show" before. I can't think of any comments made this year that make him "a grumpy old man".
Hill was very uncomfortable in front of the camera to begin with, but he's much more at ease now and I find hi comments interesting.
Symonds is a good addition, I've listened to podcasts with him before, strikes me as a person you could chat with over a pint and come away with some great stories.
Davidson, on his ipad thing is always good to listen to.
Herbert sometimes speaks before he's engaged his brain, which actually gets entertaining, he's already been reminded of his Alonso comments this weekend
I suppose you could call him the village idiot, but he's got an awful long way to go to match Eddie Jordan on that score.Crofty - I don't get the criticism, he's lead commentator, he's meant to shout. Walker shouted a lot, made mistakes and talked utter rubbish at times but he still gets nothing but praise ? I don't see the difference (other than grumpier viewers nowadays...)
The best thing that Sky to do change the team every so often - not all of them are at every race, I think it helps to keep things fresh.
IforB said:
swisstoni said:
Not getting the dislike for Di Resta - his strength is the fact that he's raced an F1 car this century and can give insights the others can't.
I cannot put my finger on exactly why but Di Resta annoys the daylights out of me. Last year he was unbearable, but I think he is improving this year so far.
Interesting no one has mentioned Rachel Brookes, very nice young lady.
Ted giving his exclusive news about Vettel changing his helmet again, "but Ted" says Croft "they are only allowed 1 design change in a year, how is he getting away with that". Ted replies, "no not the design, the helmet"
FFS Did he think they use the same helmet race after race? I would be surprised if any driver doesn't use a new helmet every race weekend, maybe even every day, especially as they all have sponsorship by the helmet manufacturers and don't pay for them.
FFS Did he think they use the same helmet race after race? I would be surprised if any driver doesn't use a new helmet every race weekend, maybe even every day, especially as they all have sponsorship by the helmet manufacturers and don't pay for them.
Crafty_ said:
Right, but what about the walkerisms "The car is unique, except for the one behind it". Very insightful eh ?
I assume he was talking about some unique feature on a particular team's car though and his internal pedant forced him to correct himself when two teammates were line astern.Contrast this with Crofty's "...and for a SECOND the ORANGE CAR was next to the PINK CAR which was next to the YELLOW CAR"
No difference in my book, both made mistakes, both shouted, both talk complete rubbish at times.
The only difference is we all grew up with Walker, therefore we were/are more accommodating of him.
Lets be honest, no other commentator has managed to make it work. I heard a little bit of Allen from the 90s the other day and he was utterly awful, likewise LEgard was dire. DC just kept telling us how great Red Bull were, Ben Edwards could rival Mansell for monotone...
The only difference is we all grew up with Walker, therefore we were/are more accommodating of him.
Lets be honest, no other commentator has managed to make it work. I heard a little bit of Allen from the 90s the other day and he was utterly awful, likewise LEgard was dire. DC just kept telling us how great Red Bull were, Ben Edwards could rival Mansell for monotone...
FourWheelDrift said:
It's because they keep getting journalists to commentate, journalists write, they can delete, edit, correct mistakes, they can re-write and they can research details before finally publishing. They are almost never any good at talking live.
Exactly.This is how you do commentary (very shouty, very exciting): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vKCRh-5WTs
Crafty_ said:
The only difference is we all grew up with Walker, therefore we were/are more accommodating of him.
I agree that we view Murray through rose-tinted glasses. But his excitement seemed authentic - he got excited about genuinely exciting things. With Crofty, it's like he's always got to have something to shout about. Modern F1 just doesn't lend itself to this style of commentating in the way that, say, MotoGP does. And don't get me started on his awful "jokes".I would like to see Ant Davidson next to Brundle. Fingers crossed that Crofty "does an Alonso" and decides to prove that he's the greatest ever commentator by having a bash at something else for a weekend
Crafty_ said:
No difference in my book, both made mistakes, both shouted, both talk complete rubbish at times.
The only difference is we all grew up with Walker, therefore we were/are more accommodating of him.
Lets be honest, no other commentator has managed to make it work. I heard a little bit of Allen from the 90s the other day and he was utterly awful, likewise LEgard was dire. DC just kept telling us how great Red Bull were, Ben Edwards could rival Mansell for monotone...
I agree, mad silly uncle Murray, loved him but i watch the old seasons reviiews and old races ni on every day from 69 to present and to be very Honest MW was dreadfull! in the early years Hunt was an opinionated drunk gobsThe only difference is we all grew up with Walker, therefore we were/are more accommodating of him.
Lets be honest, no other commentator has managed to make it work. I heard a little bit of Allen from the 90s the other day and he was utterly awful, likewise LEgard was dire. DC just kept telling us how great Red Bull were, Ben Edwards could rival Mansell for monotone...
te, it was a good few years before he soberd up and gave good insight and in the later years with Martin Murray was woefull, still better than legtard (silence is better than him) james allen was on par noise wise but had more knolledge than crofty, he was more a cross between Ted and Murray IMHIO.At the end of the day he is employed to make the racing sound more exciting than it is, he does it well and TBH i've rarely heard a comentator that doesn't annoy me at certain times, it's like claiming you hate an actor because you didn't like a person he played in a film? crofty is much quieter and "matey" in practice but he's not there to big up practice, he's there to do it to the race and he does it well IMHO.
having said that you can't please all the people ect ect
I much prefer the cricket commentator style of commentary.
I have eyes, I don't need some shouting fool telling me what I am seeing.
What I want is information on what's going on I cant see, how the strategy is playing, not that Hamilton is up the inside of Vettel, something I can see before my very eyes.
I hated Murray's style, he used to annoy me, even though he is a great chap, Palmer was ultra boring though, so a difficult balance to make.
Brundle and Coulthard style of humorous discussion was great.
I have eyes, I don't need some shouting fool telling me what I am seeing.
What I want is information on what's going on I cant see, how the strategy is playing, not that Hamilton is up the inside of Vettel, something I can see before my very eyes.
I hated Murray's style, he used to annoy me, even though he is a great chap, Palmer was ultra boring though, so a difficult balance to make.
Brundle and Coulthard style of humorous discussion was great.
I really like Ted - the only bits I make sure I watch over the race weekend are the Quali session, the Race and Ted's Notebooks - all the buildup and the rest I don't worry about.
Gary Anderson was the best bit of the BBC coverage, Pat Symonds seems to come close but he doesn't appear to be turning up to every race, unfortunately - given a choice I would rather have Symonds than Herbert.
Gary Anderson was the best bit of the BBC coverage, Pat Symonds seems to come close but he doesn't appear to be turning up to every race, unfortunately - given a choice I would rather have Symonds than Herbert.
ukaskew said:
His tech bits with Pat Symonds are superb, the 5 minutes they've just given both of them on the Qualy show are as in depth as I've seen on an F1 show. Great stuff.
Ted was hopeless in that section and it wasn't at all well structured. Give Pat a proper section on his own where he covers a technical subject and it would be a lot better.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff