F1 first-time winners

F1 first-time winners

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Mr_Thyroid

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168 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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Spoiler alert -------------- Bottas won his first GP at the last race in Russia.

This got me thinking......

Anyone in a car with a reasonable chance of winning has already won a race so:

- who will be F1's next first time winner?


It was almost a year since the last first time winner (spoiler alert - Max won the 2016 GP in Spain)...so:

- what has been the longest gap between first time winners?

- and what's the shortest gap, or, since this is probably 1 race, what's the most consecutive races to have first time winners?

HustleRussell

16,169 posts

101 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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All six seats in the three teams which have been able to compete for wins over the past several seasons are now occupied by race winners.

I reckon the next first time F1 race winner must therefore be the driver who replaces Raikkonen at Ferrari or the driver who partners Alonso in the works Renault team... so Perez? Grosjean? Hulkenberg? Saintz?

Probably Carlos TBH

glazbagun

9,534 posts

138 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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Most of the top teams are full of winners. If Renault can get things together there'd maybe be a chance for Hulk- he already has a pole IIRC.

Short of that I don't know. Perez has driven well on many occasions, has he won a race yet?

Seems unlikely so long as the top teams dominate. Maybe if Danny goes somewhere Sainz will get his shot in a decent car and make the mist of it.

WilsonWilson

400 posts

90 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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Hulkenberg to win this years Monaco causing Alonso's head to explode.

lucido grigio

38,682 posts

104 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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Just read the last post ,I was going to put forward Monaco as a potential left field winner as strange things can occur

on the streets of the principality.
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glazbagun

9,534 posts

138 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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lucido grigio said:
Just read the last post ,I was going to put forward Monaco as a potential left field winner as strange things can occur

on the streets of the principality.
Normally I'd agree, but this year it would take both Ferrari's, Both Mercedes and both Red Bulls to DNF/have a nightmare. That would be getting on for Monaco '96 levels of bad luck (where Panis scored his first and only race win for Ligier!)

Incidentally, I feel old. I was a huge Hill fan and watched this live:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20j9ky_f1-1996-g...

lucido grigio

38,682 posts

104 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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I couldn't be bothered to look it up but that ^^^^^ Panis win was the left field win I remembered.

cuprabob

7,545 posts

155 months

Tuesday 9th May 2017
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Pastor Maldonado won the 2012 Spanish GP...

With the current reliability of the cars I can't see anyone outwith Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull winning anytime soon.

Mr_Thyroid

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1,667 posts

168 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Long gaps between first time winners, best I can come up with is around 3 years:

Berger - Mexico (race 5) 1986
Boutsen - Canada (race 6) 1989

Naninni - Japan (race 15) 1989
Schumacher - Belgium (race 12) 1992

Webber - Germany (race 9) 2009
Rosberg - China (race 3) 2012

Dr Z

2,918 posts

112 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Long gaps between first time winners, best I can come up with is around 3 years:

Berger - Mexico (race 5) 1986
Boutsen - Canada (race 6) 1989

Naninni - Japan (race 15) 1989
Schumacher - Belgium (race 12) 1992

Webber - Germany (race 9) 2009
Rosberg - China (race 3) 2012
[triggered] biggrin

This is all the 1st time winners working backwards:

Year Event Circuit Driver Car Engine Qual pos Grid pos Laps led
1950 British GP Silverstone Nino Farina Alfa Romeo 158 Alfa Romeo 1.5 L8C 1 1 63
1950 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Juan Manuel Fangio Alfa Romeo 158 Alfa Romeo 1.5 L8C 1 1 100
1950 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Johnnie Parsons Kurtis Kraft Offenhauser 4.5 L4 5 5 115
1951 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Lee Wallard Kurtis Kraft Offenhauser 4.5 L4 2 2 159
1951 ACF GP Reims Juan Manuel Fangio / Luigi Fagioli Alfa Romeo 159B Alfa Romeo 1.5 L8C 7 7 27
1951 British GP Silverstone José Froilan González Ferrari 375 Ferrari 4.5 V12 1 1 59
1951 German GP Nürburgring Alberto Ascari Ferrari 375 Ferrari 4.5 V12 1 1 11
1952 Swiss GP Bremgarten Piero Taruffi Ferrari 500 Ferrari 2.0 L4 2 2 46
1952 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Troy Ruttman Kuzma Offenhauser 4.5 L4 7 7 44
1953 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Bill Vukovich Kurtis Kraft 500A Offenhauser 4.5 L4 1 1 195
1953 ACF GP Reims Mike Hawthorn Ferrari 500 Ferrari 2.0 L4 7 7 14
1955 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Maurice Trintignant Ferrari 625 Ferrari 2.5 L4 9 9 20
1955 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Bob Sweikert Kurtis Kraft 500C Offenhauser 4.5 L4 14 14 86
1955 British GP Aintree Stirling Moss Mercedes W196 Mercedes 2.5 L8 1 1 80
1956 Argentine GP Buenos Aires Juan Manuel Fangio / Luigi Musso Ferrari D50 Ferrari 2.5 V8 3 3 32
1956 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Pat Flaherty Watson Offenhauser 4.5 L4 1 1 127
1956 Belgian GP Spa-Francorchamps Peter Collins Ferrari D50 Ferrari 2.5 V8 3 3 13
1957 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Sam Hanks Epperly Offenhauser 4.5 L4 13 13 136
1957 British GP Aintree Stirling Moss / Tony Brooks  Vanwall 57 Vanwall 2.5 L4 3 3 21
1958 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Jimmy Bryan Epperly Offenhauser 4.5 L4 7 7 139
1958 Belgian GP Spa-Francorchamps Tony Brooks Vanwall 57 Vanwall 2.5 L4 5 5 22
1959 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Jack Brabham Cooper T51 Climax 2.5 L4 3 3 19
1959 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Rodger Ward Watson Offenhauser 4.5 L4 6 6 130
1959 Dutch GP Zandvoort Jo Bonnier BRM P25 BRM 2.5 L4 1 1 58
1959 United States GP Sebring Bruce McLaren Cooper T51 Climax 2.5 L4 10 10 1
1960 Indianapolis 500 Indianapolis Jim Rathmann Watson Offenhauser 4.5 L4 2 2 100
1960 Italian GP Monza Phil Hill Ferrari 256 Ferrari 2.4 V6 1 1 26
1961 Dutch GP Zandvoort Wolfgang von Trips Ferrari 156 Ferrari 1.5 V6 2 2 75
1961 ACF GP Reims Giancarlo Baghetti Ferrari 156 Ferrari 1.5 V6 12 12 7
1961 United States GP Watkins Glen Innes Ireland Lotus 21 Climax 1.5 L4 8 8 42
1962 Dutch GP Zandvoort Graham Hill BRM P57 BRM 1.5 V8 2 2 68
1962 Belgian GP Spa-Francorchamps Jim Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 V8 12 12 24
1962 ACF GP Rouen Dan Gurney Porsche 804 Porsche 1.5 F8 6 6 13
1963 German GP Nürburgring John Surtees Ferrari 156/63 Ferrari 1.5 V6 2 2 13
1964 Austrian GP Zeltweg Lorenzo Bandini Ferrari 156 Aero Ferrari 1.5 V6 7 7 59
1965 Italian GP Monza Jackie Stewart BRM P261 BRM 1.5 V8 3 3 43
1965 Mexican GP Mexico City Richie Ginther Honda RA272 Honda 1.5 V12 3 3 65
1966 Italian GP Monza Ludovico Scarfiotti Ferrari 312 Ferrari 3.0 V12 2 2 55
1967 South African GP Kyalami Pedro Rodriguez Cooper T81 Maserati 3.0 V12 4 4 7
1967 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Denny Hulme Brabham BT20 Repco 3.0 V8 4 4 91
1968 French GP Rouen Jacky Ickx Ferrari 312 Ferrari 3.0 V12 3 3 59
1968 British GP Brands Hatch Jo Siffert Lotus 49B Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 4 4 37
1969 United States GP Watkins Glen Jochen Rindt Lotus 49B Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 1 1 99
1970 Italian GP Monza Clay Regazzoni Ferrari 312B Ferrari 3.0 F12 3 3 33
1970 United States GP Watkins Glen Emerson Fittipaldi Lotus 72C Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 3 3 8
1971 South African GP Kyalami Mario Andretti Ferrari 312B Ferrari 3.0 F12 4 4 4
1971 Italian GP Monza Peter Gethin BRM P160 BRM 3.0 V12 11 11 3
1971 United States GP Watkins Glen François Cévert Tyrrell 002 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 5 5 46
1972 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Jean-Pierre Beltoise BRM P160B BRM 3.0 V12 4 4 80
1973 French GP Paul Ricard Ronnie Peterson Lotus 72E Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 5 5 13
1973 British GP Silverstone Peter Revson McLaren M23 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 3 3 29
1974 South African GP Kyalami Carlos Reutemann Brabham BT44 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 4 4 69
1974 Spanish GP Jarama Niki Lauda Ferrari 312B3 Ferrari 3.0 F12 1 1 62
1974 Swedish GP Anderstorp Jody Scheckter Tyrrell 007 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 2 2 80
1975 Brazilian GP Interlagos Carlos Pace Brabham BT44B Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 6 6 8
1975 Spanish GP Montjuich Park Jochen Mass McLaren M23 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 11 11 3
1975 Dutch GP Zandvoort James Hunt Hesketh 308B Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 3 3 61
1975 Austrian GP Osterreichring Vittorio Brambilla March 751 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 8 8 11
1976 Austrian GP Osterreichring John Watson Penske PC4 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 2 2 45
1977 Belgian GP Zolder Gunnar Nilsson Lotus 78 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 3 3 21
1977 Swedish GP Anderstorp Jacques Laffite Ligier JS7 Matra 3.0 V12 8 8 3
1977 Austrian GP Osterreichring Alan Jones Shadow DN8 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 14 14 11
1978 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Patrick Depailler Tyrrell 008 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 5 5 38
1978 Canadian GP Montréal Gilles Villeneuve Ferrari 312T3 Ferrari 3.0 F12 3 3 21
1979 French GP Dijon Jean-Pierre Jabouille Renault RS10 Renault 1.5 V6T 1 1 34
1980 Brazilian GP Interlagos René Arnoux Renault RE20 Renault 1.5 V6T 6 6 16
1980 US West GP Long Beach Nélson Piquet Brabham BT49 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 1 1 80
1980 Belgian GP Zolder Didier Pironi Ligier JS11/15 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 2 2 72
1981 French GP Dijon Alain Prost Renault RE30 Renault 1.5 V6T 3 3 22
1982 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Riccardo Patrese Brabham BT49D Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 2 2 2
1982 German GP Hockenheim Patrick Tambay Ferrari 126C2 Ferrari 1.5 V6T 5 5 27
1982 Austrian GP Osterreichring Elio de Angelis Lotus 91 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 7 7 5
1982 Swiss GP Dijon Keke Rosberg Williams FW08 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 8 8 2
1982 Las Vegas GP Las Vegas Michele Alboreto Tyrrell 011 Ford Cosworth DFV 3.0 V8 3 3 24
1985 Portuguese GP Estoril Ayrton Senna Lotus 97T Renault 1.5 V6T 1 1 67
1985 European GP Brands Hatch Nigel Mansell Williams FW10 Honda 1.5 V6T 3 3 67
1986 Mexican GP Mexico City Gerhard Berger Benetton B186 BMW 1.5 L4T 4 4 33
1989 Canadian GP Montréal Thierry Boutsen Williams FW12C Renault 3.5 V10 6 6 3
1989 Japanese GP Suzuka Alessandro Nannini Benetton B189 Ford HB 3.5 V8 6 6 2
1992 Belgian GP Spa-Francorchamps Michael Schumacher Benetton B192 Ford HB 3.5 V8 3 3 11
1993 Hungarian GP Hungaroring Damon Hill Williams FW15C Renault 3.5 V10 2 2 77
1995 Canadian GP Montréal Jean Alesi Ferrari 412T2 Ferrari 3.0 V12 5 5 11
1995 British GP Silverstone Johnny Herbert Benetton B195 Renault 3.0 V10 5 5 14
1995 Portuguese GP Estoril David Coulthard Williams FW17 Renault 3.0 V10 1 1 66
1996 European GP Nürburgring Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW18 Renault 3.0 V10 2 2 67
1996 Monaco GP Monte Carlo Olivier Panis Ligier JS43 Mugen-Honda 3.0 V10 14 14 16
1997 San Marino GP Imola Heinz-Harald Frentzen Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10 2 2 36
1997 European GP Jerez Mika Häkkinen McLaren MP4/12 Mercedes 3.0 V10 5 5 1
1999 Australian GP Melbourne Eddie Irvine Ferrari F399 Ferrari 3.0 V10 6 6 40
2000 German GP Hockenheim Rubens Barrichello Ferrari F1-2000 Ferrari 3.0 V10 18 18 10
2001 San Marino GP Imola Ralf Schumacher Williams FW23 BMW 3.0 V10 3 3 62
2001 Italian GP Monza Juan Pablo Montoya Williams FW23 BMW 3.0 V10 1 1 29
2003 Malaysian GP Sepang Kimi Räikkönen McLaren MP4/17D Mercedes FO110P 7 7 40
2003 Brazilian GP Interlagos Giancarlo Fisichella Jordan EJ13 Cosworth RS1 8 8 2
2003 Hungarian GP Hungaroring Fernando Alonso Renault R23B Renault RS23 1 1 68
2006 Hungarian GP Hungaroring Jenson Button Honda RA106 Honda RA806E 4 14 19
2006 Turkish GP Istanbul Felipe Massa Ferrari 248 F1 Ferrari 056 1 1 54
2007 Canadian GP Montréal Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4/22 Mercedes FO108T 1 1 67
2008 Canadian GP Montréal Robert Kubica BMW F1.08 BMW P86/8 2 2 28
2008 Hungarian GP Hungaroring Heikki Kovalainen McLaren MP4/23 Mercedes FO108V 2 2 9
2008 Italian GP Monza Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso STR03 Ferrari 056 1 1 49
2009 German GP Nürburgring Mark Webber Red Bull RB5 Renault RS27 1 1 34
2012 Chinese GP Shanghai Nico Rosberg Mercedes F1 W03 Mercedes FO108Z 1 1 48
2012 Spanish GP Catalunya Pastor Maldonado Williams FW34 Renault RS27-2012 2 1 37
2014 Canadian GP Montréal Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull RB10 Renault Energy F1-2014 6 6 3
2016 Spanish GP Catalunya Max Verstappen Red Bull RB12 TAG-Heuer 4 4 27
2017 Russian GP Sochi Valtteri Bottas Mercedes F1 W08 Mercedes M08 3 3 44


The circuits that saw three or more 1st time winners:

Circuit No. of 1st winners
Indianapolis 10
Monte Carlo 8
Monza 7
Montréal 6
Hungaroring 4
Nürburgring 4
Osterreichring 4
Silverstone 4
Spa-Francorchamps 4
Watkins Glen 4
Zandvoort 4
Dijon 3
Interlagos 3
Kyalami 3
Reims 3


Indy 500 was anomaly of the 50s, but Monaco being the most likely one to see a 1st time winner on the current calendar.

Special mention of Rubens for winning his first race after qualifying 18th.

EFA. wink

Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 11th May 11:49

Mr_Thyroid

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Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Dr Z said:
[triggered] biggrin

This is all the 1st time winners working backwards:


I'd put 1992 - 1995 also in your list above. 1982 -1995 seems to be the scarcest period of 1st time winners.
You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.

Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Wednesday 10th May 20:27


Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Wednesday 10th May 20:30

Dr Z

2,918 posts

112 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Mr_Thyroid said:
You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.
Whoops. Serves me right for posting in haste. redface


Flog123

142 posts

133 months

Wednesday 10th May 2017
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Dr Z said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.
Whoops. Serves me right for posting in haste. redface
Also Mika Hakkinen 1997 European Grand prix

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

93 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Interesting that The first year with no debut winner was 1954. The next was 1983. It's only after then the gaps seem to expand.

glazbagun

9,534 posts

138 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
Interesting that The first year with no debut winner was 1954. The next was 1983. It's only after then the gaps seem to expand.
Mortality rates and poor reliability leaving fresh opportunities? Jim Clark often either won or broke down.

Dr Z

2,918 posts

112 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Flog123 said:
Dr Z said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
You missed off Damon.

..... and Rene Arnoux.
Whoops. Serves me right for posting in haste. redface
Also Mika Hakkinen 1997 European Grand prix
Updated now with more info. Any more I've missed?

Dr Z

2,918 posts

112 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Looking through my list, if Bottas were to win the WDC this year, he would join a group of four drivers in history (excluding Farina) to achieve their first race win and WDC in the same year.

The drivers are: Jack Brabham (1959); Graham Hill (1962); Denny Hulme (1967) and Keke Rosberg (1982).

Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 11th May 12:04

ralphrj

2,828 posts

132 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Dr Z said:
Updated now with more info. Any more I've missed?
How many do you have in total? Bottas was the 107th different winner since the start of the World Drivers Championship.

Dr Z

2,918 posts

112 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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ralphrj said:
How many do you have in total? Bottas was the 107th different winner since the start of the World Drivers Championship.
I do have 107.

Speed Badger

913 posts

58 months

Thursday 11th May 2017
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Next first time winner will be either Hulkenberg or Charles Leclerc I reckon.