The Official 2017 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
telecat said:
Wehlein made a mistake went wide and left a gap. Button saw it and dived in. In these circumstances If Wehlein had given "racing room" to Button then there would have been no problem. As I said he managed a similar trick at the ROC and also managed to unsafe release when Button came down the Pit lane. His "speed" in the race was unimpressive and he did not make use of the early pit stop.
RKi said:
telecat said:
I have to think Wehlein has a problem racing. Twice now he seems to have ignored cars and not given space when they have an opportunity to overtake. In Both cases he's come off worst. I do think missing a bright Orange McLaren twice in the same race is showing a pattern. Also at Monaco what use is a five second penalty once you are in front of the car you were given it for? Either force him to give up the place or drive thru. It's an ineffective penalty.
epom said:
Why is everyone complaining that the race was dull ? Its F1 and its in Monaco? What did anyone realistically expect ?? I love this race, well this whole spectacle the racing is usually over on the Saturday after qualifying.
It would be interesting to hear Chase Carey's thoughts on this event. B- class Royals rubbing shoulders with C-class celebs does not make a great sporting event that will attract a world-wide TV audience.It has always been the case that Saturday's results determine the race outcome. Yesterday was poor, because the wick of these 1000bhp PUs was so turned down, they were probably running at about 50% for huge chunks of the race. Normally each driver is pressing on, trying to pressure the guy in front into making a mistake. Yesterday, everyone was holding station, the two attempts at a pass both failed. There were no barriers being clipped, or risks being taken.
Mandatory 2-stops would at least ensure that Max and Kimi get a chance redress the unfairness of a 1-stop at Monaco, more gaps would open-up so that someone out of position like Lewis can pull a rabbit from the hat.
As it was, the race was as dull as ditchwater, just like Russia was and Canada will probably be without poor weather, or safety car.
Having said that, I believe that C4 made a valiant effort to make 4.5-hours of coverage seem more interesting. They managed this without laying out the conspiracy theories that Ferrari are favouring Vettel. Lee McKenzie telling us that a chatty Kimi does exist, but apparently not even for Finnish TV, is the sort of insight rarely shown on TV.
rdjohn said:
It would be interesting to hear Chase Carey's thoughts on this event. B- class Royals rubbing shoulders with C-class celebs does not make a great sporting event that will attract a world-wide TV audience.
You're wide of the mark there pal, Monaco must be one of the races with the highest draw for spectators.telecat said:
Wehlein made a mistake went wide and left a gap. Button saw it and dived in. In these circumstances If Wehlein had given "racing room" to Button then there would have been no problem. As I said he managed a similar trick at the ROC and also managed to unsafe release when Button came down the Pit lane. His "speed" in the race was unimpressive and he did not make use of the early pit stop.
He didn't make a mistake and go wide; he took the racing line through the corner! Not sure where you get the comparison with the ROC! It's his strategist's job to decide what works-you'll be blaming her because she's a woman next. The unsafe release again was his team's fault. CraigyMc said:
ZX10R NIN said:
I like F1 & I thought yesterday's MGP was pretty standard fare you watch it for the just in case something happens as nothing really did I think the Ferrari thing got blown way out of proportion.
Road Racing is better racing than Superbikes which is better than as a spectacle than F1 but for me they all have their place, the NW200 was a cracker this year but it was bound to be after the Cookstown 100 had given a taste of what was coming the Skerries/Armoy/Southern 100 & Ulster GP are going to be of the scale this year it's so close.
Motorbikes make for better races (apart from the TT of course) than F1 but I still like F1
I like watching bike road racing, but I don't get too invested in it because of the death aspect.Road Racing is better racing than Superbikes which is better than as a spectacle than F1 but for me they all have their place, the NW200 was a cracker this year but it was bound to be after the Cookstown 100 had given a taste of what was coming the Skerries/Armoy/Southern 100 & Ulster GP are going to be of the scale this year it's so close.
Motorbikes make for better races (apart from the TT of course) than F1 but I still like F1
*awaits half of PH asking me to hand in my man card/calling me a pussy*
One thing for sure if the JB vs PW roles had been reversed in both incidents you can sure the majority would still be saying it was PW's fault:-)
As much as I like JB, neither of the incident's were PW's fault in my opinion. The pit release was down to the team and the other was poor judgement by JB.
As much as I like JB, neither of the incident's were PW's fault in my opinion. The pit release was down to the team and the other was poor judgement by JB.
Vaud said:
Odd ball question for you... a friend lives in a Monaco (but isn't an F1 fan) and snapped this last night as he walked home.
I'd not seen this being done to tyres before - I assume it's a Pirelli QA / post race test for the tyre structure?
ash73 said:
I love Monaco as a pure test of driver skill, quali was great, but what a dull race. Almost nothing happened. Bring back refuelling then at least we'll get some overtaking with different strategies. And increase underfloor aero and clip the wings. And ban those insane Merc barge boards, no wonder it's peaky. And bring in another tyre manufacturer and stop engineering in crapness. And stop doing grid walks.
Monaco is all about the Glitz.It's always a dull race.
HustleRussell said:
rdjohn said:
It would be interesting to hear Chase Carey's thoughts on this event. B- class Royals rubbing shoulders with C-class celebs does not make a great sporting event that will attract a world-wide TV audience.
You're wide of the mark there pal, Monaco must be one of the races with the highest draw for spectators.Edited by Doink on Monday 29th May 14:37
Derek Smith said:
Sir Bagalot said:
Monaco is all about the Glitz.
It's always a dull race.
There was Panis' victory in 1996. I remember it as if it was only 21 years ago. It was full of incident, and at the end the pits was full of cars. Not a race one could suggest was dull.It's always a dull race.
I don't 'like' Monaco as an F1 circuit, it's a bit Mickey Mouse, but I think it's an important fixture on the calendar and should remain. See Sochi, Baku, Abu Dhabi, Singapore etc for street circuits which have all the procession and none of the historical significance of Monaco which should make way for better circuits, hopefully leaving Monaco as the one-a-season procession novelty street race.
Derek Smith said:
Sir Bagalot said:
Monaco is all about the Glitz.
It's always a dull race.
There was Panis' victory in 1996. I remember it as if it was only 21 years ago. It was full of incident, and at the end the pits was full of cars. Not a race one could suggest was dull.It's always a dull race.
Eric Mc said:
Derek Smith said:
Sir Bagalot said:
Monaco is all about the Glitz.
It's always a dull race.
There was Panis' victory in 1996. I remember it as if it was only 21 years ago. It was full of incident, and at the end the pits was full of cars. Not a race one could suggest was dull.It's always a dull race.
Seriously though it is the second race of six where there have been zero on-track overtakes (33%). They need to do more to entertain the casual viewer.
(I didn't actually check whether 1958 was a good race or not).
HustleRussell said:
You're wide of the mark there pal, Monaco must be one of the races with the highest draw for spectators.
...but they do not pay a hosting fee to FOM and it generally fails to put on a good show for the less-fanatical TV viewer.It was timely that the GPDA spectator survey was published on the eve of the race. The 200k+ respondents offer a much broader perspective than we, here on PistonHeads, but it's still pretty small in comparison to the world-wide audience that used to regularly watch terrestrial TV.
I cannot see Liberty regaining a significant proportion of that audience by charging a fee to watch such a poor race / sporting spectacle.
Eric Mc said:
What about 1982? The race nobody wanted to win.
Sky showed that in the pre-amble programmes. I'd forgotten how brilliant James Hunt was as a commentator -- "we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all waiting about the finish line waiting for a winner to come past and we don't seem to be getting one".http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2q9cmc
Edited by carl_w on Monday 29th May 17:10
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