How's Jenson getting on?
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irocfan said:
Not knowing F1 rules at all but is this a sneaky way of losing Alonso's potential penalty without him suffering?
I think it is.However, it may cost them constructor's points - as JB looked nailed on to get a few should the car hold together long enough to finish the race.
But this was probably planned before they found out just how competitive JB was going to be.
I understand that penalties apply to the car, not the driver, though. Which is a shame - but it does stop teams (especially struggling teams) swapping pay-drivers mid season to avoid penalties.
I think he's done really well so far. Q3 with a car that's got the lowest trap speed (even worse than the Saubers), and unlike his (admittably slightly faster) teammate, he didn't drive into the armco.
My prediction for tomorrow - early stop and try to nurse the harder tyre round from lap 2 to the end, hoping for a safety car.
My prediction for tomorrow - early stop and try to nurse the harder tyre round from lap 2 to the end, hoping for a safety car.
RichB said:
HustleRussell said:
Another unsatisfactory end to Jenson's F1 career. Retirement from last place after taking out promising young Wehrlein.
Must confess I thought it was a very optimistic lunge and a shame because he doing ok, not brilliant but ok. I think there is a good chance he will be back still. He is still in demand, there are a lot of drives out of contract and the cars are more fun to drive
Both of the overtakes yesterday ended in accidents. Yes his was overly optimistic but you see the same interlocked wheels crash at most races - albeit not with the same scary result
Both of the overtakes yesterday ended in accidents. Yes his was overly optimistic but you see the same interlocked wheels crash at most races - albeit not with the same scary result
Let's face it - starting from the pit lane in a car that has less power than anything else on the grid was always going to be a nightmare. If they'd jumped the Sauber in the pits, things may have worked out once other cars got into their pit-stop phases - but once he got stuck behind the Sauber, it was game over.
I'd have parked up much earlier and walked back to the hotel.
I'd have parked up much earlier and walked back to the hotel.
Jenson's problem was that nobody told him you weren't supposed to overtake at Monaco in a 2017 spec car 
. To be fair, it brought some life to what had been a fairly boring procession... I like Monaco, but only when there's something to spice up the action (e.g. when the weather is wet or changeable)
. To be fair, it brought some life to what had been a fairly boring procession... I like Monaco, but only when there's something to spice up the action (e.g. when the weather is wet or changeable)JB is going to drive in the 1000km at Suzuka in the Mugen NSX-GT
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129891...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129891...
Sorry, a minor thread resurrection to share something.
The Monaco GP was most likely Button's last F1 race, and as such it was nice to be able to extract the speeds from the F1 app to put together the speed trace of his best qualifying lap from Monaco compared with Stoffel. Over the years I have followed JB, I have only been able to get an idea for his driving from sector times and the like, so it's nice to get up close at the raw data. I'll keep it as a parting gift.
Here it is:
Some caveats; the data rate on the F1 app is worser than the TV telemetry overlay. While JB's lap was fine, it was a little messy in a few places in Stoffel's lap, so I haven't plotted the full trace but given an indication either as + or - numbers which are JB's speed delta (in km/h) to Stoffel in places where I can best determine.
Now, some observations:
I think generally the weekend went well (except the circumstances of the retirement), and JB's race pace was also good given how difficult is Monaco to get up to speed.
From the speed trace it was evident that JB's maximum speed at the end of the two largest acceleration zones were quite a bit higher than Stoffel. I think Stoffel must have been carrying more base 'wing'/downforce than JB, as the acceleration only seperates out above 250 km/h where drag is more pronounced than lower speeds.
At the the start of the lap, JB was braking later and harder than Stoffel into St. Devote, carrying more entry speed (+4 km/h), and better apex speed too (+1 km/h). This is classic JB and I smiled when I saw this.
Stoffel was carrying more speed through Massanet, but JB had a better exit from Massanet and gained some time under braking for Casino but lost out on apex (min) and exit speed from Casino.
Stoffel carries that exit speed and is quicker on entry and apex of Mirabeau (Haute), but not able to maintain that advantage. JB gets a really good exit out of there and carries that all way to the braking zone of the hairpin where he gains another chunk of time back and is slightly quicker through the apex. Stoffel gets a better exit from the hairpin though, sacrificing some apex speed for that, ending up 7 km/h quicker in the braking zone to Mirabeau (Bas). JB is carrying more speed through there, but struggles a little bit on exit to put the power down I think resulting in some loss into Portier.
Stoffel seems to carry more speed into the Nouvelle Chicane and Louis Chiron, but loses out through Tabac and Pool.
Final difference is 0.204s!
Anyways, it was nice to see JB in a more fitting place to end his F1 career.
I'll forget the race though.
The Monaco GP was most likely Button's last F1 race, and as such it was nice to be able to extract the speeds from the F1 app to put together the speed trace of his best qualifying lap from Monaco compared with Stoffel. Over the years I have followed JB, I have only been able to get an idea for his driving from sector times and the like, so it's nice to get up close at the raw data. I'll keep it as a parting gift.
Here it is:
Some caveats; the data rate on the F1 app is worser than the TV telemetry overlay. While JB's lap was fine, it was a little messy in a few places in Stoffel's lap, so I haven't plotted the full trace but given an indication either as + or - numbers which are JB's speed delta (in km/h) to Stoffel in places where I can best determine.
Now, some observations:
I think generally the weekend went well (except the circumstances of the retirement), and JB's race pace was also good given how difficult is Monaco to get up to speed.
From the speed trace it was evident that JB's maximum speed at the end of the two largest acceleration zones were quite a bit higher than Stoffel. I think Stoffel must have been carrying more base 'wing'/downforce than JB, as the acceleration only seperates out above 250 km/h where drag is more pronounced than lower speeds.
At the the start of the lap, JB was braking later and harder than Stoffel into St. Devote, carrying more entry speed (+4 km/h), and better apex speed too (+1 km/h). This is classic JB and I smiled when I saw this.
Stoffel was carrying more speed through Massanet, but JB had a better exit from Massanet and gained some time under braking for Casino but lost out on apex (min) and exit speed from Casino.
Stoffel carries that exit speed and is quicker on entry and apex of Mirabeau (Haute), but not able to maintain that advantage. JB gets a really good exit out of there and carries that all way to the braking zone of the hairpin where he gains another chunk of time back and is slightly quicker through the apex. Stoffel gets a better exit from the hairpin though, sacrificing some apex speed for that, ending up 7 km/h quicker in the braking zone to Mirabeau (Bas). JB is carrying more speed through there, but struggles a little bit on exit to put the power down I think resulting in some loss into Portier.
Stoffel seems to carry more speed into the Nouvelle Chicane and Louis Chiron, but loses out through Tabac and Pool.
Final difference is 0.204s!
Anyways, it was nice to see JB in a more fitting place to end his F1 career.
I'll forget the race though.
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