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VolvoT5 said:
The Palmer situation is getting a bit ridiculous now... he looks completely out of his depth and I wouldn't be surprised if they did try and replace him mid season because it is hard to see someone else doing a worse job really.
All depends on how much Daddy has paid for his seatHamsterdam said:
VolvoT5 said:
The Palmer situation is getting a bit ridiculous now... he looks completely out of his depth and I wouldn't be surprised if they did try and replace him mid season because it is hard to see someone else doing a worse job really.
All depends on how much Daddy has paid for his seatSupersam83 said:
Hearing from Renault that Palmer has until Hungarian GP at the end of July to improve his form in relation to Nico Hulkenburg or they will replace him with Sergei Sirotkin.
Time is numbered...
I don't really understand why they kept him over Magnussen at the end of last year.... I can't see any miracles happening in the next month so I guess he is out then. Time is numbered...
I was surprised when Renault opted to keep Palmer in 2017, but I figured with so many other variables changing they would use Palmer as a benchmark to gauge <b>their</b> own performance relative to last year and also gauge Hulkenburg's form and speed for when they get competitive again.
Sadly for him I think he's had his opportunity and as long as contracts don't forbid it, I expect to see him having to share his car with potential replacements on Fridays and if he's slower then the writing is definitely on the wall.
I don't like to kick a guy when he's down and I know the reasons for poor performance in F1 can be many, varied and not always fair but I've never seen a flash of brilliance from him which I think he needs to merit holding onto that seat over the other options.
Sadly for him I think he's had his opportunity and as long as contracts don't forbid it, I expect to see him having to share his car with potential replacements on Fridays and if he's slower then the writing is definitely on the wall.
I don't like to kick a guy when he's down and I know the reasons for poor performance in F1 can be many, varied and not always fair but I've never seen a flash of brilliance from him which I think he needs to merit holding onto that seat over the other options.
Hamsterdam said:
All depends on how much Daddy has paid for his seat
Daddy hasn't paid for the set this year apparently, Renault are actually paying him to drive.A story popped up over the last day or two that Kubica would be driving in FP1 at Monza. This has just been denied by the team in the press conference.
I think the team really want him to get it together and are giving every chance to do so. There was just an interview on sky and it seems its been made very clear that he needs to iprove his qualifying so that he's in a better position to score points.
I don't have much time for him to be honest, but he's under massive pressure and is seeing his dream of F1 slowly disappearing. It must be tough.
I was keen to see Jolyon doing well in his 2nd season of F1 - the second half of last season saw some decent races, but both he and Nasr (remember him?) have disappointed massively since graduation from what was GP2.
It would be a shame to be down to one Brit in F1 but there seems to be an inevitability - I hope he doesn't find the barriers again in Qualifying later today but given this year's performances and his apparent mindset I wouldn't bet against it.
In a way it's history repeating itself. Palmer senior acquitted himself pretty well against Alboreto at Tyrrell and seemed settled in the team. Then in mid 1989 Jean Alesi arrived at the woodyard and thoroughly and consistently outpaced Palmer - so at the end of the season J.P. hung up his overalls. It seems likely that Hulkenburg will now prove to be his son's nemesis...
A final thought - is F2 really the feeder series for F1 ? 10years ago with Hamilton etc definitely yes, but now ? Since the end of 2010 I reckon 15+ drivers have graduated to F1 from GP2. Grosjean and Perez have eventually made the grade albeit with inauspicious starts. Bianchi sadly never had the opportunity to fully display his talents whilst the jury has to be out on McLaren-crippled Vandoorne. Of the others, most were hobbled by being parachuted into tail end teams - but you can still shine in a slow car as Alonso has shown this year.
Of the last 5 GP2 champions 3 are not in the hunt for F1 - Valsecchi, Leimer and Gasly, whilst Palmer we are discussing and Vandoorne has the problem of still driving a car with GP 2 performance and having Fred as company (Quali. battle currently 6 - 0 ). Add to that the latest hot properties in F1 - Verstappen and Sainz Jnr side stepped GP2..
It would be a shame to be down to one Brit in F1 but there seems to be an inevitability - I hope he doesn't find the barriers again in Qualifying later today but given this year's performances and his apparent mindset I wouldn't bet against it.
In a way it's history repeating itself. Palmer senior acquitted himself pretty well against Alboreto at Tyrrell and seemed settled in the team. Then in mid 1989 Jean Alesi arrived at the woodyard and thoroughly and consistently outpaced Palmer - so at the end of the season J.P. hung up his overalls. It seems likely that Hulkenburg will now prove to be his son's nemesis...
A final thought - is F2 really the feeder series for F1 ? 10years ago with Hamilton etc definitely yes, but now ? Since the end of 2010 I reckon 15+ drivers have graduated to F1 from GP2. Grosjean and Perez have eventually made the grade albeit with inauspicious starts. Bianchi sadly never had the opportunity to fully display his talents whilst the jury has to be out on McLaren-crippled Vandoorne. Of the others, most were hobbled by being parachuted into tail end teams - but you can still shine in a slow car as Alonso has shown this year.
Of the last 5 GP2 champions 3 are not in the hunt for F1 - Valsecchi, Leimer and Gasly, whilst Palmer we are discussing and Vandoorne has the problem of still driving a car with GP 2 performance and having Fred as company (Quali. battle currently 6 - 0 ). Add to that the latest hot properties in F1 - Verstappen and Sainz Jnr side stepped GP2..
Edited by moffspeed on Saturday 24th June 08:47
Edited by moffspeed on Saturday 24th June 08:50
I think GP2/F1 is still worth it, but you need to be in and out quickly, two seasons at the most.
All GP2 winners
Of those with the worst win ratios: Valsecchi works for Sky Italia, he no longer drives. Leimer is busy in a glorified milk float. Pantano, the ultimate journeyman was last seen in a part time drive is a uncompetitive McLaren in Blancpain GT years ago.
If you take out Palmer's championship year he won 3 races over 66 races.
All GP2 winners
| Driver | Races | Wins | % Wins | Podiums |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rosberg | 23 | 5 | 21.7 | 12 |
| Hamilton | 21 | 5 | 23.8 | 14 |
| Glock | 41 | 7 | 17.0 | 15 |
| Pantano | 79 | 9 | 11.3 | 23 |
| Hulkenberg | 20 | 5 | 25.0 | 10 |
| Maldonado | 73 | 10 | 13.6 | 18 |
| Grosjean | 58 | 9 | 15.5 | 21 |
| Valsecchi | 98 | 7 | 7.1 | 17 |
| Leimer | 84 | 4 | 4.7 | 14 |
| Palmer | 88 | 7 | 7.9 | 19 |
| Vandoorne | 43 | 11 | 25.5 | 26 |
| Gasly | 50 | 4 | 8 | 14 |
Of those with the worst win ratios: Valsecchi works for Sky Italia, he no longer drives. Leimer is busy in a glorified milk float. Pantano, the ultimate journeyman was last seen in a part time drive is a uncompetitive McLaren in Blancpain GT years ago.
If you take out Palmer's championship year he won 3 races over 66 races.
Palmer learned he'd lost Renault F1 drive to Sainz on Autosport
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131824/palmer-le...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131824/palmer-le...
Jolyon Palmer said:
"I knew when I read it on Autosport," he said. "And then I knew it was true as well, I spoke to some people. That was it.
Sorry JP but Vaud said:
Harsh but funny.
Still a bad way to hear about your job...
Still a bad way to hear about your job...
True. But on the other hand we could all see it coming, why not Jolyon?
And now it seems Renault want rid now but Jolyon's insisting on seeing his contract out to the end of the year.
That's understandable but does he really think they'll let him look good now? Even if that were possible.
REALIST123 said:
Vaud said:
Harsh but funny.
Still a bad way to hear about your job...
Still a bad way to hear about your job...
True. But on the other hand we could all see it coming, why not Jolyon?
And now it seems Renault want rid now but Jolyon's insisting on seeing his contract out to the end of the year.
That's understandable but does he really think they'll let him look good now? Even if that were possible.
Jesus christ this thread is full of s
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