The Official 2017 Canadian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
jbudgie said:
I watched Sky this time for a change, haven't watched it for at least a year now.
CH4 so much better IMHO.
Croft, Ted and Herbert are dire.
Whereas on CH4 only EJ is poor, rest are great.
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I dumped Sky and went with BT. There's no way I could dedicate 19 Saturdays and Sundays to F1. My idea was to go via Now and mates for those races I wanted to see. This weekend I was elsewhere, and the house I was in didn't have Sky. I'm glad I was unable to watch it live. The recorded highlights were good enough. Vettel's drive was quite exciting, building up to the finale, but the 1-2 was never in doubt. CH4 so much better IMHO.
Croft, Ted and Herbert are dire.
Whereas on CH4 only EJ is poor, rest are great.
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Ch4 with EJ is appalling, and I feel obliged to switch off the sound. Other than that I prefer it to Sky coverage, and by some margin.
Crafty_ said:
entropy said:
The joke when Sky first turned up was they had enough crew & equipment to run an F1 team. It's been toned down but still feels over-produced when essentially F1 coverage is relied upon FOM. For instance Skypad I find gimmicky and adds nothing extra to analysis.
Completely disagree, if you listen to what Paul Di Resta or Davidson are saying they pick up all sorts of thing from onboards that they show. Ted - poor guy I feel a bit sorry for him. I like his enthusiasm but really the technical stuff is way beyond him. Sky need Craig Scarborough to do that stuff.
Force India's refusal to demand Perez swap over with Ocon shows the difference between a good midfield team and the top teams.
Williams highlighted it a few years back how far they've regressed when they f
ked up at Silverstone when they were leading, Force India did it this weekend.
Perez had every right to tell them to feck off if they weren't going to show the bks needed to give him an actual order.
Williams highlighted it a few years back how far they've regressed when they f
ked up at Silverstone when they were leading, Force India did it this weekend.Perez had every right to tell them to feck off if they weren't going to show the b
ks needed to give him an actual order.F1GTRUeno said:
Force India's refusal to demand Perez swap over with Ocon shows the difference between a good midfield team and the top teams.
Williams highlighted it a few years back how far they've regressed when they fked up at Silverstone when they were leading, Force India did it this weekend.
Perez had every right to tell them to feck off if they weren't going to show the bks needed to give him an actual order.
+1 to thisWilliams highlighted it a few years back how far they've regressed when they f
ked up at Silverstone when they were leading, Force India did it this weekend.Perez had every right to tell them to feck off if they weren't going to show the b
ks needed to give him an actual order.Vaud said:
I'd rate Ocon's chances higher at Ferrari.
He's on Mercedes' young driver programme. Unlikely they'd release him to Ferrari any time soon. I'm impressed with his maturity so far - he was a right miderable sod in F3.I tend to agree that Perez's petulance might cost him a Ferrari drive (this isn't the first time it's surfaced either)
rubystone said:
I tend to agree that Perez's petulance might cost him a Ferrari drive (this isn't the first time it's surfaced either)
He wasn't petulant though. That's the weird thing. FI asked him if he'd perhaps consider moving over for Ocon and Perez pleaded with them to keep his position so he did. Weak driver management not driver defiance. HustleRussell said:
He wasn't petulant though. That's the weird thing. FI asked him if he'd perhaps consider moving over for Ocon and Perez pleaded with them to keep his position so he did. Weak driver management not driver defiance.
I don't think we heard the full radio chatter though. But I know what you mean. Perhaps it's 'self-confidence' then?rubystone said:
Doink said:
Why not, he's a Renault driver after all, doubt very much theyd release him to Ferrari
He's not. He's a Mercedes young driverswisstoni said:
I wonder what was so wrong with Hamilton's Monaco car that it took days to get to the bottom of it
How can things get THAT screwed up?
And was is messed up from race 1 or was it messed up at Monaco?
Lots of Qs but I don't have the time to trawl through the various media.
He couldn't switch the tyres on so it could've been the tiniest of setup changes which enabled him to do just that in Canada and also obviously although Canada is also a low deg surface it's a very different proposition for tyres from Monaco. Plus Hamilton himself was on fire in Canada as he so often is and Monaco has historically been a bit of a bogey track for him. How can things get THAT screwed up?
And was is messed up from race 1 or was it messed up at Monaco?
Lots of Qs but I don't have the time to trawl through the various media.
ETA: I haven't heard of Mercedes finding anything fundamentally wrong with the car. I was wondering during the Monaco weekend if they were going to find some damage to the tub or something but apparently not.
Apparently it was correlation between the wind tunnel and the simulator both giving different readings and they needed to understand why,.......“I think it was a reality check for us it was quite easy to see where we went wrong and that remained with us throughout the weekend then I think it was just doing a lot of analysis, a lot of the engine and focussing on different areas to make sure the simulations are right because they weren't perfect.
“I have to understand why the wind tunnel reading gave us one reading and the simulator would give us a different reading. I went to the factory on Thursday and they were still doing all of the analysis, so all I could do was give questions and then really focus on this week.
“Then we had discussions of what they found, they were still discovering some things that kept coming up in the meeting on Thursday, that's when we got a clear idea so it was really down to the team"
I wonder what it was that they've found, maybe it's all smoke and mirrors as the rumour at the track was they were using trick front suspension, put to Hamilton he said not to his knowledge that they had new suspension
“I have to understand why the wind tunnel reading gave us one reading and the simulator would give us a different reading. I went to the factory on Thursday and they were still doing all of the analysis, so all I could do was give questions and then really focus on this week.
“Then we had discussions of what they found, they were still discovering some things that kept coming up in the meeting on Thursday, that's when we got a clear idea so it was really down to the team"
I wonder what it was that they've found, maybe it's all smoke and mirrors as the rumour at the track was they were using trick front suspension, put to Hamilton he said not to his knowledge that they had new suspension
rubystone said:
HustleRussell said:
He wasn't petulant though. That's the weird thing. FI asked him if he'd perhaps consider moving over for Ocon and Perez pleaded with them to keep his position so he did. Weak driver management not driver defiance.
I don't think we heard the full radio chatter though. But I know what you mean. Perhaps it's 'self-confidence' then?swisstoni said:
I wonder what was so wrong with Hamilton's Monaco car that it took days to get to the bottom of it
How can things get THAT screwed up?
And was is messed up from race 1 or was it messed up at Monaco?
Lots of Qs but I don't have the time to trawl through the various media.
Cracked chassis that was repaired back at the factory - hence Hamilton saying they'd done a great job to get his car turned around in 10 days of work to Canada, that's secondhand through a team member though, I don't think there's anything official been given as a reason.How can things get THAT screwed up?
And was is messed up from race 1 or was it messed up at Monaco?
Lots of Qs but I don't have the time to trawl through the various media.
PhillipM said:
Cracked chassis that was repaired back at the factory - hence Hamilton saying they'd done a great job to get his car turned around in 10 days of work to Canada, that's secondhand through a team member though, I don't think there's anything official been given as a reason.
There was no cracked chassis, if that was the problem it certainly wouldn't take 10 days to resolve - they'd just make a new one.They did spent 10 days straight trying to work out the problems though: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-shi...
They replayed the entire Monaco weekend from start to end several times, changing things as they went. From that they got some clues as to what they should change. No doubt they simulated Canada and their approach for the weekend proper came from that.
By the sounds of it they didn't need new parts, just an understand of how to fully exploit the car to get the best out of the tyres.
I presume that this means some setup changes but also how they treat the tyres - could be anything from the temperature in the blankets and how long they are "cooked" for to how Lewis was warming the tyres on track, even how brake and track temperature affects them.
Its still not clear if the issues have been borne out of a comprised chassis - remember they had to ditch their clever suspension at the start of the year ? I think that this is part of Red Bulls woes too.
At the driver's press conference Lewis said that his input was Minimal other than posing the questions. He also added that they had brought some unique bits for Canada.
My guess is that it was probably track specific to Monaco (a bit like Singapore 2014) and worst of all during qually. Remember he was fasted in FP1 and went downhill from there. In the race, things seemed OK? He managed a very long stint on the UltraSoft but was so far back he could not make real progress that he could have probably managed at a regular track. In any event, the Ferrari package was simply better.
My guess is that it was probably track specific to Monaco (a bit like Singapore 2014) and worst of all during qually. Remember he was fasted in FP1 and went downhill from there. In the race, things seemed OK? He managed a very long stint on the UltraSoft but was so far back he could not make real progress that he could have probably managed at a regular track. In any event, the Ferrari package was simply better.
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