Kubica back in an F1 car

Kubica back in an F1 car

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Roofless Toothless

5,672 posts

133 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Kubica would be better than Di Resta with one hand tied behind his back.

skinny

5,269 posts

236 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
I think Williams need to stop trotting Kubica out. It's not going to happen and they are getting media attention whoring from this.

Seems off what Williams are doing? Don't they have any options at all or would they prefer another paying driver?
Off for who - I doubt Kubica is complaining.

Vaud

50,583 posts

156 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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skinny said:
Off for who - I doubt Kubica is complaining.
Quite... It's F1, it's cruel. Kubica has chosen to put himself forwards to be tested with incredible personal determination.

By (loose) comparison, Zanardi is a great hero of mine.

thegreenhell

15,389 posts

220 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Roofless Toothless said:
Kubica would be better than Di Resta with one hand tied behind his back.
His good hand, at that.

MissChief

7,112 posts

169 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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thegreenhell said:
Roofless Toothless said:
Kubica would be better than Di Resta with one hand tied behind his back.
His good hand, at that.
I really cannot see it. Still. Even with multiple adaptations to his steering wheel (which costs a lot of money don't forget) will he be able to hold the wheel and set 'strat 4' or change the rear diff three or four times a lap, every lap? I highly doubt it. The actual driving? Sure, no issues, it's just everything else required while in the car he will struggle to do. I called it months ago. He won't get a race seat anywhere.

Swervin_Mervin

4,465 posts

239 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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You should get a job at an F1 team. I'm sure they haven't thought of any of those issues when they've been testing him, so they could probably do with someone with that level of expertise wink

DanielSan

18,804 posts

168 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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MissChief said:
I really cannot see it. Still. Even with multiple adaptations to his steering wheel (which costs a lot of money don't forget) will he be able to hold the wheel and set 'strat 4' or change the rear diff three or four times a lap, every lap? I highly doubt it. The actual driving? Sure, no issues, it's just everything else required while in the car he will struggle to do. I called it months ago. He won't get a race seat anywhere.
If only someone had thought to try him in a car and see if some random internet persons grnuone legitimate facts could be proven right or wrong? What a glorious world we'd live in if such a situation were possible rather than just throwing him into a race weekend and hope for the best. We could even call this situation testing....

Sa Calobra

37,159 posts

212 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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DanielSan said:
If only someone had thought to try him in a car and see if some random internet persons grnuone legitimate facts could be proven right or wrong? What a glorious world we'd live in if such a situation were possible rather than just throwing him into a race weekend and hope for the best. We could even call this situation testing....
He's currently being tested in a 2014 car for the latest? It's PR. Why isnt he in this year's doing full race distance at race setup.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

222 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
He's currently being tested in a 2014 car for the latest? It's PR. Why isnt he in this year's doing full race distance at race setup.
Because the FIA don’t care how many laps the 2014 car does anymore, they can run it outside of current testing regulations. So for much the same reason that Stroll has quietly been having tests/familiarisation days (at his families expense) at circuits around the world between GPs in the 2014 car.

kambites

67,584 posts

222 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Surely they can test his ability to use the steering wheel controls while applying varying forces to the wheel within the confinements of the cockpit in a simulator anyway?

Vaud

50,583 posts

156 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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ukaskew said:
Sa Calobra said:
He's currently being tested in a 2014 car for the latest? It's PR. Why isnt he in this year's doing full race distance at race setup.
Because the FIA don’t care how many laps the 2014 car does anymore, they can run it outside of current testing regulations. So for much the same reason that Stroll has quietly been having tests/familiarisation days (at his families expense) at circuits around the world between GPs in the 2014 car.
Exactly right.

Vaud

50,583 posts

156 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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kambites said:
Surely they can test his ability to use the steering wheel controls while applying varying forces to the wheel within the confinements of the cockpit in a simulator anyway?
Within reason. The wheel and UI can be redesigned to allow a single hand input. Probably a slightly time penalty on the config, but a smart UI designer can do a lot. Just takes time and some money, but not that much, it just won't be out of the box. Kubica could tell them how it worked for the Renault test/setup.

angrymoby

2,613 posts

179 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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MissChief said:
Even with multiple adaptations to his steering wheel (which costs a lot of money don't forget)
'lots' to you & me ...insignificant to an F1 team

Daston

6,075 posts

204 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Stupid idea ahoy but are voice activated controls not aloud? You could have a button on the wheel to press it that then links the cars voice controls directly to your helmet mic

thegreenhell

15,389 posts

220 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Daston said:
Stupid idea ahoy but are voice activated controls not aloud?
I think voice commands are generally aloud by their very nature. I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed, but how effective would they be shouting inside a noisy crash helmet?

Vaud

50,583 posts

156 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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thegreenhell said:
I think voice commands are generally aloud by their very nature. I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed, but how effective would they be shouting inside a noisy crash helmet?
Combinations of noise cancelling and various audio software would be fine, but I think they are outlawed, need to check regs.

MissChief

7,112 posts

169 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Renault clearly wanted him, but ultimately decided against. Why they didn't say, but they must have seen or heard something which put them off. Why wouldn't Williams see the same thing? He likely wouldn't bring any money with him, or not a lot anyway whereas someone like Wehrlein would likely have some fringe benefits such as a discount on Mercedes engines. While money to Renault isn't an issue, it clearly is to Williams. It's been said that the 'over 25' issue is only relevant in some countries with a drinking age of over 25. Which is only a couple that F1 visit I believe.

thegreenhell

15,389 posts

220 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Renault have been chasing Sainz for two years. The STR-Honda deal gave them the opportunity to grab him. It doesn't necessarily mean they rejected Kubica for any specific fault of his.

shirt

22,600 posts

202 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Doubt he's as quick as sainz and Not as marketable. Renault/dacia have healthy and growing markets in Spanish speaking countries.

DanielSan

18,804 posts

168 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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MissChief said:
Renault clearly wanted him, but ultimately decided against. Why they didn't say, but they must have seen or heard something which put them off. Why wouldn't Williams see the same thing? He likely wouldn't bring any money with him, or not a lot anyway whereas someone like Wehrlein would likely have some fringe benefits such as a discount on Mercedes engines. While money to Renault isn't an issue, it clearly is to Williams. It's been said that the 'over 25' issue is only relevant in some countries with a drinking age of over 25. Which is only a couple that F1 visit I believe.
There's a lot of high profile Polish businesses that have been seeking a way into F1 for a while but when's kubica had his accident there wasn't an alternative driver to plough that funding into, with a comeback adding extra attention he's as marketable in Poland and elsewhere now as he was then even if the reasons are slightly different.

The Hungary test showed he still has pace he was only a couple of tenths of Hulk on his fastest lap, their main concern was his fitness on lung runs but that was more down to physical fitness than anything injury related. And something easily fixable with more training between then and now, and further improved in the off season.