Kubica back in an F1 car

Kubica back in an F1 car

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thegreenhell

15,383 posts

220 months

Tuesday 17th October 2017
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Kubica completes "productive" second Williams test at Hungaroring

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-complete...

KevinCamaroSS

11,641 posts

281 months

Wednesday 18th October 2017
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Better to call it a marketing exercise than a test.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

117 months

Wednesday 18th October 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
Better to call it a marketing exercise than a test.
I agree. I would presume Kubica would be paying for this test, i can't imagine Frank Williams wanting to stump up any of his cars for a free go.

corozin

2,680 posts

272 months

Wednesday 18th October 2017
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AndStilliRise said:
I agree. I would presume Kubica would be paying for this test, i can't imagine Frank Williams wanting to stump up any of his cars for a free go.
Just assume for a moment that Kubica has the required pace. The decision (for Williams) is then a more political decision based on what benefits the team, it's suppliers and sponsors. Kubica's return (in a Williams) would undoubtedly be a huge publicity coup for the team. On the other hand Pascal Wehlein is a promising young driver and putting him in the seat would please Mercedes-Benz as he is one of thier proteges.

Alas Formula One remains as simple, and brutal as that.

kambites

67,583 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Is there actually any evidence for the idea that Kubica might be paying for the test? I certainly don't claim to be an expert but that seems rather unlikely to me?

bobbo89

5,224 posts

146 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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corozin said:
Just assume for a moment that Kubica has the required pace. The decision (for Williams) is then a more political decision based on what benefits the team, it's suppliers and sponsors. Kubica's return (in a Williams) would undoubtedly be a huge publicity coup for the team. On the other hand Pascal Wehlein is a promising young driver and putting him in the seat would please Mercedes-Benz as he is one of thier proteges.

Alas Formula One remains as simple, and brutal as that.
Pascal isn't old enough for the Williams seat. Not that simple wink

Vaud

50,583 posts

156 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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bobbo89 said:
Pascal isn't old enough for the Williams seat. Not that simple wink
Apparently he is if they can find a suitable brand ambassador to do the 25+ stuff for Martini.

The 25 year old is about use of the driver in marketing.

Little Droogie

39 posts

188 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Vaud said:
Apparently he is if they can find a suitable brand ambassador to do the 25+ stuff for Martini.

The 25 year old is about use of the driver in marketing.
Could Kubica possibly be the "over 25 year old" to be the ambassador ? and they are pre-promoting him reminding us all who he is before he take the roll. As it has been said all the other drivers in the frame possibly wouldn´t be the best choice for an ambassador/marketing role.

If the take a younger driver to drive Kubica would be a good abassador. At least he has a story to tell at functions.

Vaud

50,583 posts

156 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Possible.

HustleRussell

24,721 posts

161 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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I think I read somewhere that Kubica does have a modest amount of backing and probably did make some sort of contribution to secure the Williams test. Kubica has approached this all along as a study in whether he can drive the cars properly despite his injury. I don’t think he’d be throwing this much at it if there was just a stty press job at the end of it. There are much cheaper ways for him to gain exposure. You’d think he’d be welcome in any paddock as a guest of Renault. I haven’t once seen him in front of a television camera or microphone throughout.

I reckon he’s got something to prove to himself as a driver and would rather there wasn’t so much speculation and media coverage of these tests. Renault passing him over was public enough and has lead some to speculate that he isn’t up to the job, even though with the availability of Saintz they’d have been mad not to.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

117 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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I think it is more of a case of him having to start all over again with F1. I have never seen anyone make a return to F1, it seems as though it is a sport that favours the young and brave rather than the old and wise.

shirt

22,600 posts

202 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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I doubt he'd have such a high profile management team if there wasn't a realistic possibility of a drive if the times/talent are there.

I don't think Kubica would fill the marketing role for Martini, he's not exactly photogenic.

HustleRussell

24,721 posts

161 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Schumacher came back. Raikkonen came back. Used to happen quite often with most notably Prost and IIRC Mansell having had sabbaticals.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

117 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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shirt said:
I doubt he'd have such a high profile management team if there wasn't a realistic possibility of a drive if the times/talent are there.

I don't think Kubica would fill the marketing role for Martini, he's not exactly photogenic.
Good point, at least Massa still looks fresh. The other side of the coin is that the points that Massa brings to the team. Kubica i would imagine would crash a lot in the first year at least.

thegreenhell

15,383 posts

220 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Vaud said:
bobbo89 said:
Pascal isn't old enough for the Williams seat. Not that simple wink
Apparently he is if they can find a suitable brand ambassador to do the 25+ stuff for Martini.

The 25 year old is about use of the driver in marketing.
Correct, and the 25 y/o age limit is nothing to do with Williams or Martini directly. It's an industry guideline not to use under 25s in alcohol advertising.

https://www.asa.org.uk/advice-online/alcohol-featu...

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Kubica has good backing, there is a lot manufacturing in Poland that would like some exposure in the automotive industry.

I really liked Kubica but I think it says more about Williams that that inictober they are in this position so late in the day.

A man with one functioning arm, a retiree, a journeyman who couldn't make the grade four years ago and an almost-rookie who has hardly set the world on fire. Worst of all they seem unable to know who is best out of them!

A sorry state of affairs.

Frimley111R

15,676 posts

235 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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HustleRussell said:
Schumacher came back. Raikkonen came back. Used to happen quite often with most notably Prost and IIRC Mansell having had sabbaticals.
Not to mention Nikki Lauda who did quite well when he came back..

paua

5,751 posts

144 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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HustleRussell said:
Schumacher came back. Raikkonen came back. Used to happen quite often with most notably Prost and IIRC Mansell having had sabbaticals.
A number of people above said something roughly similar. Have none of you any appreciation of F1 history?
Fangio came back from a broken neck - & won further titles ( several)
Lauda came back from retirement - & won a further title. Nobody else in the history of the sport requires such a large wheelbarrow to carry his 'nads. JYS might be close & Kubica deserves mention.
Prost came back from a sabbatical - & won an additional title. Can't think of anyone outside of Fangio, Lauda & Prost who have had a successful "comeback"

Jones , Mansell, Schumi et al came back & achieved squat.
Mansell barely fit in the car - had to be modified, Jonesey ( to his credit - said " I'd just as soon a good fight as a fk", lol

thegreenhell

15,383 posts

220 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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paua said:
Jones , Mansell, Schumi et al came back & achieved squat.
Mansell barely fit in the car - had to be modified
Mansell and Raikkonen did at least both win races on their returns.

paua

5,751 posts

144 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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thegreenhell said:
paua said:
Jones , Mansell, Schumi et al came back & achieved squat.
Mansell barely fit in the car - had to be modified
Mansell and Raikkonen did at least both win races on their returns.
Quite like Raikkonen - the pass in Japan all those years ago (other participants were
alonso & Schumi?) was magical, but faint praise in regards to the
'comeback"