Kubica back in an F1 car

Kubica back in an F1 car

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sandman77

2,411 posts

138 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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HustleRussell said:
That's because it's a given, there are no slow drivers in the arena.
Vaud said:
I was taking that as a given.
If he was fast enough then surely Renault would have signed him after the tests he had with them? I might be proved wrong but I really don't see a return to F1 being successful for him. Even without his injury I think he has been away from the sport for too long. Look at Michael Schumacher - even he wasn't the driver he once was when he returned after time away from the sport. In fact has anybody had a successful return?

thegreenhell

15,337 posts

219 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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sandman77 said:
In fact has anybody had a successful return?
Lauda retired for a few years then came back and won another WDC. Prost took a sabbatical and came back to win another, albeit in a dominant Williams.

HustleRussell

24,700 posts

160 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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sandman77 said:
HustleRussell said:
That's because it's a given, there are no slow drivers in the arena.
Vaud said:
I was taking that as a given.
If he was fast enough then surely Renault would have signed him after the tests he had with them? I might be proved wrong but I really don't see a return to F1 being successful for him. Even without his injury I think he has been away from the sport for too long. Look at Michael Schumacher - even he wasn't the driver he once was when he returned after time away from the sport. In fact has anybody had a successful return?
Renault passed Kubica over because Saintz came along, and he is demonstrably is brilliant right now- The fact Williams seriously considered ex-team mate Kvyat alongside Kubica and Di Resta betrays their differing level of expectation. Renault are on a charge up the grid with a view to future WCCs and are splashing the cash accordingly whereas Williams are trying to arrest a nosedive as efficiently as possible.

In fact of those in the frame for the Williams drive I reckon that of those Kvyat could well be the fastest in terms of outright pace, however Williams need a stable driver, a 'thinking' driver, who can mentor stroll, lead the development of the car, perform at a consistent level etc.

EDLT

15,421 posts

206 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
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On the C4 F1 show they said Kubica has some supporting sponsors (ie money), so he might be quite cheap. Is WIlliams still required to have a driver over 25 to keep Martini happy? Those two things would rule out quite a lot of current drivers.

Vaud

50,482 posts

155 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
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Most drivers bring sponsors. I understand Kubica may have 8m of backing.

thegreenhell

15,337 posts

219 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-logs-100...

Robert Kubica completed 100 laps in his first run in a 2017 Williams during the post-Abu Dhabi Formula 1 Grand Prix Pirelli test.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Kubica would not be receiving so many tests if he was unable to drive the car fast.

Clearly Williams are giving him as much time in the car to get use to the new aspects of F1 since he last raced.

I would be amazed if Kubica is not in a Williams in 2018.

DanielSan

18,792 posts

167 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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100 laps completed today. How can a one armed man who won’t be able to drive the car possibly manage that hehe

Frimley111R

15,661 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Kubica would not be receiving so many tests if he was unable to drive the car fast.

Clearly Williams are giving him as much time in the car to get use to the new aspects of F1 since he last raced.

I would be amazed if Kubica is not in a Williams in 2018.
Agreed, if you thought you had a chance for that seat you'd be feeling like it was pretty unlikely by now

HustleRussell

24,700 posts

160 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Kubica has finally come out to dispel the 'one handed' comments. Interestingly Paddy Lowe said that the steering wheel adaptations weren't significantly different from those they might do for any other driver and the only unusual part was that Robert will have the gear up and gear down paddles on the same side. Didn't say anything about the clutch, presumably that will be on the side of the dominant hand too.

FourWheelDrift

88,516 posts

284 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Today's times.

1.Kimi Raikkonen Scuderia Ferrari 1m 37.768s (99 laps)
2.Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer 1m 38.066s (109 laps)
3.Lewis Hamilton Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport 1m 38.551s (136 laps)
4.Romain Grosjean Haas-Ferrari 1m 39.270s (137 laps)
5.Lance Stroll Williams Martini Racing-Mercedes 1m 39.580s (29 laps)
6.Fernando Alonso McLaren-Honda 1m 39.762s (115 laps)
7.Nico Hulkenberg Renault Sport F1 1m 39.803s (85 laps)
8.Nikita Mazepin Sahara Force India-Mercedes 1m 39.959s (90 laps)
9.Robert Kubica Williams Martini Racing-Mercedes 1m 41.296s (100 laps)
10.Sean Gelael Scuderia Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 41.428s (117 laps)
11.Marcus Ericsson Sauber-Ferrari 1m 41.681s (97 laps)
12.Oliver Turvey McLaren-Honda 1m 41.914s (105 laps)

HustleRussell

24,700 posts

160 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Word has it Robert will be doing low fuel runs on Wednesday

FourWheelDrift

88,516 posts

284 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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HustleRussell said:
Kubica has finally come out to dispel the 'one handed' comments. Interestingly Paddy Lowe said that the steering wheel adaptations weren't significantly different from those they might do for any other driver and the only unusual part was that Robert will have the gear up and gear down paddles on the same side. Didn't say anything about the clutch, presumably that will be on the side of the dominant hand too.
Maybe they might come up with a wacky new way of using the clutch instead of using his hand, like a pedal perhaps biggrin

Bradgate

2,823 posts

147 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Kubica 1.7s slower than Stroll. Ouch.

On the face of it, that doesn't look good for Kubica at all. Let's hope the impression given by these times is misleading.

thegreenhell

15,337 posts

219 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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I don't think you can read much into these times. From what I've read, Kubica spent most of his running doing longer runs, and set his best time on the soft compound tyres. I don't know what Stroll used, but Kimi's fastest lap was on the new Hypersoft, so all the new compounds were in play and Kubica only used the most middling of them.

Kubica is reportedly set to do some 'performance' runs tomorrow afternoon on the Hyper/Ultra/Mega soft tyres.

andburg

7,289 posts

169 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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what i found most interesting is he ran a martini colour helmet

Vaud

50,482 posts

155 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Bradgate said:
Kubica 1.7s slower than Stroll. Ouch.

On the face of it, that doesn't look good for Kubica at all. Let's hope the impression given by these times is misleading.
We have no idea of the fuel runs, aero, etc. Always be careful on test days reading too much in to a set of data points without the full information that only a (relative) few will have in the team

SG167

86 posts

115 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Would be good to see the consistency of the times. I imagine tomorrow we see some quicker runs on softer tyres and less fuel.

If his fastest lap was set mid-stint, rather than a 3/4 lap run, would be a good sign.

Either way, there is no chance he would have this test unless they were fairly confident he was up to the task

williamp

19,256 posts

273 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Vaud said:
Who is, by priority:

a) has a superlicence
b) available (not signed to another team with buy out clauses)
c) brings sponsorship or is highly, highly affordable
d) over 25 (may be negotiable on this as I understand but the preference is >25)
e) can lead Williams through the next few years (i.e. they have a good record of development), can't just be a hotshot rookie - they need experience right now
f) sponsor friendly

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HustleRussell said:
That's because it's a given, there are no slow drivers in the arena.
Have you forgotten Palmer??

DanielSan

18,792 posts

167 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Bradgate said:
Kubica 1.7s slower than Stroll. Ouch.

On the face of it, that doesn't look good for Kubica at all. Let's hope the impression given by these times is misleading.
He’s done 100 laps today so it’s a fair bet he’s ran full tanks most of the day, there hasn’t been any quali runs going on.