Kubica back in an F1 car

Kubica back in an F1 car

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HighwayStar

4,314 posts

145 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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CraigyMc said:
HighwayStar said:
I think it’ll all hang on if William excel and produce a decent car, that will be half the battle.
First year Paddy's had a chance to direct things. Interesting, but I suspect he won't have had the resources to do anything all that special.
I don’t think the car will be a Merc/RedBull level weapon but Paddy has said Williams are very well equipped. He has seen definite areas were they are behind current F1 thinking and where gains and improvements can be made. I see it more as the start of doing things right and moving up the grid.

CraigyMc

16,469 posts

237 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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HighwayStar said:
CraigyMc said:
HighwayStar said:
I think it’ll all hang on if William excel and produce a decent car, that will be half the battle.
First year Paddy's had a chance to direct things. Interesting, but I suspect he won't have had the resources to do anything all that special.
I don’t think the car will be a Merc/RedBull level weapon but Paddy has said Williams are very well equipped. He has seen definite areas were they are behind current F1 thinking and where gains and improvements can be made. I see it more as the start of doing things right and moving up the grid.
Agreed.

The issue they have is that even if Williams do everything right, and have all the facilities available to man, it's still 600 people against 1700 at Mercedes (about 1100 on the car side, 600 on the engine)... and Merc get to package the PU specifically to their requirements.

It's like watching a lightweight squaring up to a super heavyweight for a fight. Even if they are both great boxers on their best form, you know what's going to happen...

Dr Murdoch

3,461 posts

136 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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HighwayStar said:
A weak attempt at humour?
Nothing like taking what I said totally out of context... my comment was with regards to Jolly Jim seemingly writing off Stroll and pinning all on Kubica as Williams’s saviour and but now a lost opportunity.
the Murdoch name is apt wink
Woah, lighten up.

It was clearly a joke (or non serious comment if you didn't find it funny)
wink


HighwayStar

4,314 posts

145 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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Dr Murdoch said:
HighwayStar said:
A weak attempt at humour?
Nothing like taking what I said totally out of context... my comment was with regards to Jolly Jim seemingly writing off Stroll and pinning all on Kubica as Williams’s saviour and but now a lost opportunity.
the Murdoch name is apt wink
Woah, lighten up.

It was clearly a joke (or non serious comment if you didn't find it funny)
wink
I did wonder, if you’d have put the wink on the end..... wink

Cold

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15,261 posts

91 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Joe Saward
These days I view Sawad's observations with complete scepticism. His propensity for bias really shone through when Caterham and Lotus did their recent F1 stuff. I just can't take him seriously any more so much so that I either disregard what he churns out or prefer to believe the exact opposite. (This may be more my issue than his.)


As for Williams and Kubica it seems that a predominantly financial decision has been made in preference to an emotional one. Can't really fault them for that and it's certainly not the first time such a choice has needed to be made by them or any of the other teams.

I wonder what's next for Robert?

Sa Calobra

37,211 posts

212 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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I wonder what the future has in store for Williams.

It's not a championship team.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

139 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Sa Calobra said:
I wonder what the future has in store for Williams.

It's not a championship team.
Given that only maybe 4 teams are capable then what does the future hold for the other 6?

HighwayStar

4,314 posts

145 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Car-Matt said:
Sa Calobra said:
I wonder what the future has in store for Williams.

It's not a championship team.
Given that only maybe 4 teams are capable then what does the future hold for the other 6?

The future of the smaller teams hangs on the next Concorde Agreement, fairer distribution of prize money etc. The current on expires in 2020.
This gives some idea of how things currently work...
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-04-27/revealed-the-5m...

Sa Calobra

37,211 posts

212 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Renault and McLaren will overtake and push Williams down further. Maybe Williams know they their true standing will be lower.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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HustleRussell said:
I refuse to believe you are this dense, therefore I have to conclude troll.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11149041/robert-kubica-sets-williams-best-time-at-abu-dhabi-test

So Sky are dense then.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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CraigyMc said:
You're attempting to talk rationally to someone with entrenched ideas. You're encountering the backfire effect.

Essentially, the more wrong Jim is, the more convinced he'll be that you're a threat and that he's in the right.

It's fight or flight.
Prefer to listen to a confirmed source

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11149041/ro...

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Sa Calobra said:
Renault and McLaren will overtake and push Williams down further. Maybe Williams know they their true standing will be lower.
Exactly.



C Lee Farquar

4,074 posts

217 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Prefer to listen to a confirmed source

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11149041/ro...
That's good then.

From the same article:

"Russian Sergey Sirotkin also tested for Williams on Wednesday and recorded a best time of 1:39.947 on the soft tyre, which was 1.3 seconds quicker than Kubica had managed on the same compound on Tuesday."

HustleRussell

24,757 posts

161 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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^I suspect we’re wasting our time at this point.

Sirotkin was apparently faster and brought twice as much money. A sensible choice for Williams whose financial struggles are widely known. I hope they are shoring up their finances and organising their team so that they are ready to capitalise on any cash injection.

ETA: if Williams were ‘going racing’ next year, ignoring the fact they’ve got Stroll for a couple more years, Wehrlein or Kvyat would’ve probably been safer bets than Kubica.

Edited by HustleRussell on Wednesday 10th January 09:47

C Lee Farquar

4,074 posts

217 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Yep, although when I last looked at Williams accounts they had returned to profitability. Hopefully as you say they should have the finances to attack the new regulations effectively when they arrive.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

139 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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C Lee Farquar said:
ELUSIVEJIZZ said:
Prefer to listen to a confirmed source

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11149041/ro...
That's good then.

From the same article:

"Russian Sergey Sirotkin also tested for Williams on Wednesday and recorded a best time of 1:39.947 on the soft tyre, which was 1.3 seconds quicker than Kubica had managed on the same compound on Tuesday."
Oh lol. He rather shot himself in the foot there didn’t he. He must be scouring the net for another obscure fanboi article

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Car-Matt said:
Oh lol. He rather shot himself in the foot there didn’t he. He must be scouring the net for another obscure fanboi article
Why is that shooting myself in the foot?

Kubica without 100% arm movement can still beat the Williams full time driver.

Kubica was never the strongest on a single lap it was his race craft which excelled.

You can't buy that.

liner33

10,702 posts

203 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Kubica without 100% arm movement can still beat the Williams full time driver - Unfortunately for RK that was not shown on the test

Kubica was never the strongest on a single lap it was his race craft which excelled - Past tense , many drivers arent the same after a accident let alone a 7 year break from the sport its a risk , no use pretending it isnt

You can't buy that - You can just Williams cant afford to



If RK is that good he deserves to be a better car than that Williams

HustleRussell

24,757 posts

161 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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liner33 said:
If RK is that good he deserves to be a better car than that Williams
Certainly if he is good as he was. It would've been Renault.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

139 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Car-Matt said:
Oh lol. He rather shot himself in the foot there didn’t he. He must be scouring the net for another obscure fanboi article
Why is that shooting myself in the foot?

Kubica without 100% arm movement can still beat the Williams full time driver.

Kubica was never the strongest on a single lap it was his race craft which excelled.

Nobody can even be paid to give him a drive.
FTFY