Kubica back in an F1 car
Discussion
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Car-Matt said:
Testing is testing.......Sirotkin murdered Kubica when it counted in Abu Dhabi.........and now Kubica is the number 3.........he obviously thinks there is still some headroom to his top performance level or he wouldnt be hanging around trying to get a drive......but at this point Sirotkin is better over a lap and on race pace.....all the info from the Abu Dhabi test is out there.
So why is Kubica murdering both Stroll and Sirotkin in testing?? 
I have strong doubts about what timing system Williams were using that day.
Clearly money makes you faster.
I don't really see why people object so strenuously to pay drivers. F1 has always been at least as much about engineering as drivers and for a small team pay drivers mean significantly more money to spend on engineering which can obviously sometimes result in better results than putting better drivers in a less well engineered car.
kambites said:
I don't really see why people object so strenuously to pay drivers. F1 has always been at least as much about engineering as drivers and for a small team pay drivers mean significantly more money to spend on engineering which can obviously sometimes result in better results than putting better drivers in a less well engineered car.
There is also a big difference as well between a:- "pay driver" who has minimal talent (as back of the grid, struggling to qualify) and a big chequebook
- a sponsor backed driver, who has some talent AND has a good backer
I guess the ultimate test would be "if this driver brings £0 to the team, does their talent/speed mean we are willing to go and find that funding elsewhere?"
sgtBerbatov said:
Vaud said:
I don't think we have any pay drivers in the sport at present.
Lance Stroll is more or less a pay driver.F1 has always been about temas, with teams often switching drivers mid season to make sure the car had the best chance.......the driver is just an expensive component like a clutch or a suspension upright etc........t
sgtBerbatov said:
Vaud said:
I don't think we have any pay drivers in the sport at present.
Lance Stroll is more or less a pay driver.Is he there just on merit? Nope... but then I'd argue almost no driver is. They have all moved up through the ranks with a combination of funding support and talent.
Norfolkit said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Car-Matt said:
Testing is testing.......Sirotkin murdered Kubica when it counted in Abu Dhabi.........and now Kubica is the number 3.........he obviously thinks there is still some headroom to his top performance level or he wouldnt be hanging around trying to get a drive......but at this point Sirotkin is better over a lap and on race pace.....all the info from the Abu Dhabi test is out there.
So why is Kubica murdering both Stroll and Sirotkin in testing?? I have strong doubts about what timing system Williams were using that day.
Clearly money makes you faster.
Car-Matt said:
Norfolkit said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Car-Matt said:
Testing is testing.......Sirotkin murdered Kubica when it counted in Abu Dhabi.........and now Kubica is the number 3.........he obviously thinks there is still some headroom to his top performance level or he wouldnt be hanging around trying to get a drive......but at this point Sirotkin is better over a lap and on race pace.....all the info from the Abu Dhabi test is out there.
So why is Kubica murdering both Stroll and Sirotkin in testing?? I have strong doubts about what timing system Williams were using that day.
Clearly money makes you faster.
Perez bring significant sponsorship with him from Mexican companies. Does that make him a pay driver? Verstappen brings some Dutch sponsorship too. Would you label him a pay driver? No doubt Force India having Mercedes driver Esteban Ocon brings some benefits to the team, most likely in cheaper engines. Does that make him a pay driver? Drivers have been bringing sponsorship with them for years and years. Even Alonso brought money from Santander to Ferrari when he was getting paid €20m+ a season.
interestign that Kubica is still considering a WEC drvie with Manor....but would Williams really allow this?
Their test/reserve driver and their development driver racing at the same time, for the same team in the same series away from F1 would surely leave the simulators sat idle for far too long
Their test/reserve driver and their development driver racing at the same time, for the same team in the same series away from F1 would surely leave the simulators sat idle for far too long
andburg said:
interestign that Kubica is still considering a WEC drvie with Manor....but would Williams really allow this?
Their test/reserve driver and their development driver racing at the same time, for the same team in the same series away from F1 would surely leave the simulators sat idle for far too long
Given Alonso can probably manage the F1 and WEC, I doubt Williams will be too troubled in losing Kubica for 6 weekends.Their test/reserve driver and their development driver racing at the same time, for the same team in the same series away from F1 would surely leave the simulators sat idle for far too long
As I've previously stated, I'd love to see Kubica back on the starting grid. Is Sirotkin 'buying' the drive as he offered more cash than Robert K? Part of me believes this is the case, but: if Kubica genuinely was faster/better than the Russian, he'd probably score more points. What do points make - PRIZES, thus bringing more cash into the team than the difference between his and Sirotkin's 'golden hello'. Formula 1 is a strange beast indeed.
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