Discussion
Slippydiff said:
Wills2 said:
I don't think money is an issue here.
I think that's a fair assumption 
I'd be amazed if Stroll Snr doesn't ensure the team have all the finance it requires to become a top flight team again (as long as his son is driving for them .....)
So whilst his contribution is obviously significant to Williams - it's not the passport to victory that some seem to assume I don't think.
VolvoT5 said:
Sainz probably has bigger ambitions? Kvyat would be a solid choice.
I am amazed Kvyat is still in F1.Williams should give Kubica another crack.
This would give a great PR gain and I would be surprised if Kubica did a very solid job.
Yes he is not the driver before the accident due to his terrible accident but I would bet money on him being at the same pace as Massa if not better.
Vaud said:
bobbo89 said:
Massa has another year in him at best, I think you'll be surprised at how long Stroll hangs around for!
Massa is driving pretty well, Williams aren't ready for an Alonso, etc - but could they attract Sainz, Kyvat, etc? 
Frimley111R said:
TBH Massa is outdoing Stroll and until he can be consistently faster why keep the new boy if he's not fast? Heck, Massa could be it F1 for years if he keeps beating his team mates. I bet JB would have out performed VanD too.
I like Massa but Stroll comfortably outqualified him in Baku and kept him honest in the race, I feel that we won't be seeing Massa embarrassing Stroll from now on in the same way he was before Canada. HustleRussell said:
Frimley111R said:
TBH Massa is outdoing Stroll and until he can be consistently faster why keep the new boy if he's not fast? Heck, Massa could be it F1 for years if he keeps beating his team mates. I bet JB would have out performed VanD too.
I like Massa but Stroll comfortably outqualified him in Baku and kept him honest in the race, I feel that we won't be seeing Massa embarrassing Stroll from now on in the same way he was before Canada. I recon Stroll will be nowhere at SIlverstone. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Austria beforehand.
CraigyMc said:
HustleRussell said:
Frimley111R said:
TBH Massa is outdoing Stroll and until he can be consistently faster why keep the new boy if he's not fast? Heck, Massa could be it F1 for years if he keeps beating his team mates. I bet JB would have out performed VanD too.
I like Massa but Stroll comfortably outqualified him in Baku and kept him honest in the race, I feel that we won't be seeing Massa embarrassing Stroll from now on in the same way he was before Canada. I recon Stroll will be nowhere at SIlverstone. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Austria beforehand.
Lance Stroll has said that he won’t miss having Felipe Massa as a Formula 1 teammate following the driver’s second retirement at the end of the 2018 season.
Stroll claims that he received “no guidance whatsoever” from the experienced Brazilian driver during their time together at Williams.
Massa was drafted in at late notice to replace Valtteri Bottas alongside Stroll last year, following Bottas’ move to Mercedes.
Speaking to Motorsport.com about his partnership with Massa, Stroll said: “I don’t think I had any guidance from him last year, whatsoever, he was a teammate like any other.
“He was busy trying to drive as fast as he could, and I was trying to drive as fast as I could. That was it. There was nothing more to it than that."
Massa had claimed early on during his final season in the sport that working with the Canadian rookie reminded him of the mentoring that Michael Schumacher had given him at Ferrari during the start of his own F1 career.
But Stroll tells a very different version of events.
“I don’t know why people seem to think there was a coach or a mentor thing going on. There wasn’t; it was just him doing his job and me doing mine, and whoever did it better finished ahead," he continued.
“Whether my teammate is someone with 15 years’ experience or someone of one year's experience, my approach doesn’t change.”
Massa has since been replaced by the rookie Sergey Sirotkin for 2018, which means that Williams will have one of the least experienced driver line-ups on the F1 grid.
Stroll claims that he received “no guidance whatsoever” from the experienced Brazilian driver during their time together at Williams.
Massa was drafted in at late notice to replace Valtteri Bottas alongside Stroll last year, following Bottas’ move to Mercedes.
Speaking to Motorsport.com about his partnership with Massa, Stroll said: “I don’t think I had any guidance from him last year, whatsoever, he was a teammate like any other.
“He was busy trying to drive as fast as he could, and I was trying to drive as fast as I could. That was it. There was nothing more to it than that."
Massa had claimed early on during his final season in the sport that working with the Canadian rookie reminded him of the mentoring that Michael Schumacher had given him at Ferrari during the start of his own F1 career.
But Stroll tells a very different version of events.
“I don’t know why people seem to think there was a coach or a mentor thing going on. There wasn’t; it was just him doing his job and me doing mine, and whoever did it better finished ahead," he continued.
“Whether my teammate is someone with 15 years’ experience or someone of one year's experience, my approach doesn’t change.”
Massa has since been replaced by the rookie Sergey Sirotkin for 2018, which means that Williams will have one of the least experienced driver line-ups on the F1 grid.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Massa had claimed early on during his final season in the sport that working with the Canadian rookie reminded him of the mentoring that Michael Schumacher had given him at Ferrari during the start of his own F1 career.
But of course that statement could be true if Schumacher gave Massa nothing as well...they are not known for being helpful to each other are they? [quote=Wills2]
But of course that statement could be true if Schumacher gave Massa nothing as well...they are not known for being helpful to each other are they?
I was always under the impression that Schumacher did help Massa a lot when he came to Ferrari. Massa stated this on a number of occasions as well which makes me think it is true.
To be fair no driver needs to help anyone especially their teammate. It was clear Bottas and Stroll were going to be the drivers for 2017 until Bottas left for Mercedes.
I would be surprised that Massa of all people would not give another driver a hand unless he just disliked Stroll.
But of course that statement could be true if Schumacher gave Massa nothing as well...they are not known for being helpful to each other are they?
I was always under the impression that Schumacher did help Massa a lot when he came to Ferrari. Massa stated this on a number of occasions as well which makes me think it is true.
To be fair no driver needs to help anyone especially their teammate. It was clear Bottas and Stroll were going to be the drivers for 2017 until Bottas left for Mercedes.
I would be surprised that Massa of all people would not give another driver a hand unless he just disliked Stroll.
Frimley111R said:
CraigyMc said:
HustleRussell said:
I like Massa but Stroll comfortably outqualified him in Baku and kept him honest in the race, I feel that we won't be seeing Massa embarrassing Stroll from now on in the same way he was before Canada.
Based on one abnormal track (in that Baku has no fast corners or technical sections) and ignoring the previous seven outings to that?I recon Stroll will be nowhere at SIlverstone. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Austria beforehand.
I reckon there are a few factors influencing Stroll’s comments on Massa; the Strolls are probably trying to position Lance as de facto number one driver- Lance probably doesn’t want to appear as though he was dependent on Massa because in his mind he beat Massa over the season fair and square. Also obviously I’m speculating here but Massa probably didn’t give a f
k particularly towards the end as he was once again heading towards redundancy, plus he may well harbour some level of resentment towards Lance for obvious reasons. He certainly became vocal about the strength of his contribution to the team and his prospective replacements at the time. Massa has responded to Stroll’s comments on twitter apparently with some disbelief so I imagine Massa was helpful to Stroll in some way and Stroll’s comments are only half true and engineered with some political agenda.
I have to say that based on what I've heard from Stroll in the press he has all the arrogance of a future world champion if not the talent.
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