The Official 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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37chevy said:
Except Hamilton didn't brake test him....so Jaques should get his story straight first. Seeing fiery characters and some emotion is a good thing but vettels actions and then reluctance to accept he did anything wrong just makes him look like a berk
Yep, I love it when it gets tasty in F1, over the years there have been some corkers, remember Schumacher and Coulthard in the pit lane/garage. But it's Vettel's child like barefaced lies that grate, just admit you messed up but you're human and on the edge in F1 (we could understand that view) and that you regret your actions.
ZX10R NIN said:
The thing that struck me was the sheer speed the Mercs had on the last lap both pulled both LS & SV in down the straight that's where the speed they showed in quali came from.
I think repeatedly over the last few laps Hamilton was taking about 0.8 sec out of Vettel in the 2 DRS zones then dropping back through the middle of the lapI don't usually watch Sky but I was in a pub so I saw their version of the race and some of the reaction. Later I caught up on some more driver interviews the C4 website.
There was a very strong difference between the interviews Hamilton and Vettel gave to Sky compared to Lee McKenzie on 4.
On Sky Hamilton basically refused to say anything and Vettel's interview was while he was angrily striding along with his PR.
On 4 Hamilton used very strong words, saying Vettel disgraced himself; while Vettel started the interview with a broad grin and proceeded to chat about the incident, still failing to acknowledge the swerve, but in a fairly normal fashion.
Do the drivers (rightly) hate Sky or do they (rightly) love Lee McKenzie?
There was a very strong difference between the interviews Hamilton and Vettel gave to Sky compared to Lee McKenzie on 4.
On Sky Hamilton basically refused to say anything and Vettel's interview was while he was angrily striding along with his PR.
On 4 Hamilton used very strong words, saying Vettel disgraced himself; while Vettel started the interview with a broad grin and proceeded to chat about the incident, still failing to acknowledge the swerve, but in a fairly normal fashion.
Do the drivers (rightly) hate Sky or do they (rightly) love Lee McKenzie?
ash73 said:
Ructions said:
Interesting perspective from someone who knows what they are talking about.So Villeneuve is wrong - it wasn't justified.
ash73 said:
Interesting perspective from someone who knows what they are talking about.
Not sure JV always knows what he's talking about. I agree with the general tone but he talks like he's been on the pop .. i do have a general mistrust of the media in the way things are reported thoughash73 said:
Ructions said:
Interesting perspective from someone who knows what they are talking about.
king muppet, Vettel lucky not to be black flagged IMHOash73 said:
JonChalk said:
ash73 said:
Ructions said:
Interesting perspective from someone who knows what they are talking about.So Villeneuve is wrong - it wasn't justified.
"The FIA has already cleared Hamilton of any wrongdoing. An investigation of the Mercedes driver's telemetry data during the race showed Hamilton had neither braked nor lifted off entirely on the exit of Turn 15."
ash73 said:
JonChalk said:
ash73 said:
Ructions said:
Interesting perspective from someone who knows what they are talking about.So Villeneuve is wrong - it wasn't justified.
To give SV his due, he tried everything to get in front of LH. He made a slight misjudgement. The initial collision was his fault but perhaps it was understandable. I think he reacted so badly because he knew what an idiot he'd been. He'd just lost the race.
It seems odd that you should take note of JV, who has history of making unfounded and mischievous statements, rather than the data. SV, or at least Ferrari, must have access to the data during the stewards enquiry. Why haven't they suggested that LH braked or lifted inappropriately? The answer is because he didn't.
SV made a mistake. Drivers do. SV reacted with anger and drove into another car deliberately. Most drivers don't.
It likely cost SV the win. He could have had 25 points, with LH back in 5th still, so giving him 15 more points, rather than just the two.
My maths might be wrong, but I'm right about whether LH drove improperly. If you are going against the decision of the stewards then you need some evidence, and JV's comments just don't cut it.
Mr_Thyroid said:
I don't usually watch Sky but I was in a pub so I saw their version of the race and some of the reaction. Later I caught up on some more driver interviews the C4 website.
There was a very strong difference between the interviews Hamilton and Vettel gave to Sky compared to Lee McKenzie on 4.
On Sky Hamilton basically refused to say anything and Vettel's interview was while he was angrily striding along with his PR.
On 4 Hamilton used very strong words, saying Vettel disgraced himself; while Vettel started the interview with a broad grin and proceeded to chat about the incident, still failing to acknowledge the swerve, but in a fairly normal fashion.
Do the drivers (rightly) hate Sky or do they (rightly) love Lee McKenzie?
Sky got to Lewis first - he's flustered and irritated. The first thing he says is "I can't wait to get home" and then was very careful with what he said.There was a very strong difference between the interviews Hamilton and Vettel gave to Sky compared to Lee McKenzie on 4.
On Sky Hamilton basically refused to say anything and Vettel's interview was while he was angrily striding along with his PR.
On 4 Hamilton used very strong words, saying Vettel disgraced himself; while Vettel started the interview with a broad grin and proceeded to chat about the incident, still failing to acknowledge the swerve, but in a fairly normal fashion.
Do the drivers (rightly) hate Sky or do they (rightly) love Lee McKenzie?
CH4 interview was later, he's cooled down a bit, more composed, had time to pick his words (still carefully done mind).
Lewis learnt a long time ago to be very careful with what he says to any media because of the micro examination of everything he does/says. So rather than talk off the cuff he has to pick his words, if he hasn't done that yet, best to say as little as possible.
Rachel @ Sky normally gets some quite good interviews. I don't think there's any Sky/anti Sky bias.
ash73 said:
If they said he didn't lift "entirely" it means he DID lift somewhat, otherwise they would just say he did not lift. If you come off the throttle in an F1 car it decelerates at 1g (at high speed); that's equivalent to an emergency stop in a road car. So the question is how much did he lift, at a time when he should have been accelerating.
None of this excuses Seb's reaction, btw.
Why mention the 1G when you know they where not travelling at high speed, DC noted the revs stayed basically the same throughout the corner so the lift must have been really minimal, anyway if Seb just admitted he fNone of this excuses Seb's reaction, btw.
ked up and apologised it would all be over.ash73 said:
If they said he didn't lift "entirely" it means he DID lift somewhat, otherwise they would just say he did not lift.
Completely neutral to either driver here, although I thought that Vettel acted like a petulant fool in this instance, but the wording is interesting to say the least. ash73 said:
If they said he didn't lift "entirely" it means he DID lift somewhat, otherwise they would just say he did not lift. If you come off the throttle in an F1 car it decelerates at 1g (at high speed); that's equivalent to an emergency stop in a road car. So the question is how much did he lift, at a time when he should have been accelerating.
None of this excuses Seb's reaction, btw.
Watch the video, he didn't decelerate at 1g, that's irrelevent spin; he did the same as last time according to the telemetrics and at the time it happened you could see it was Vettel accelerating in anticipation. None of this excuses Seb's reaction, btw.
Hamilton is the pace car, he can accelerate or not (on a 90 degree bend) as much as he wants - more spin - simple fact is Vettel misjudged after being caught with his pants down last time and erroneously accelerated in anticipation Hamilton was going to wind it up; but he didn't. It's 100% in Vettels court - by the rules and by the facts.
The question of 'how much did he lift' is entirely irrelevant - go and read the rules, watch the race (Baku 2017) and stop talking about things that didn't happen.
1g...pur-lease....
carl_w said:
ash73 said:
If they said he didn't lift "entirely" it means he DID lift somewhat, otherwise they would just say he did not lift.
Completely neutral to either driver here, although I thought that Vettel acted like a petulant fool in this instance, but the wording is interesting to say the least. ash73 said:
He means he lifted. Why do you think Seb reacted so badly?
Because of his personality? This is from the same driver who complained so much about Webber beating him in a race due to his 'chassis being broken'. The chassis was replaced due to the amount of complaining, yet Webber used the 'broken' one later in the season and also won. Just because a driver thinks it was something it doesn't mean it was - especially a driver like Seb. For all his skills he doesn't admit he was wrong much (perhaps because of them).Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff