The Official 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
Roofless Toothless said:
Jonnny said:
Did Stroll actually overtake anyone?
If Hamilton had avoided all the trouble and won, the same could have been said about him.I don't see the point of your comment. I think the young man kept himself out of trouble in very difficult surroundings, and from what we were allowed to see, didn't put a foot wrong.
johnxjsc1985 said:
if he had just said "I misread the situation and reacted poorly and I was righty penalised for my actions" I think most people would have seen that as the decent thing to do but to pretend it did not happened was just so unbecoming of a World Champion.
He was exactly the same over the Multi 21 situation, instead of just saying "I'm fighting for a WDC I'm not going to not attack a fellow driver given the chance" he resorted to the bulls
t excuses of not hearing the call, or misunderstanding what Multi 21 meant etc.Fascinating race and nice to see some relatively unexpected faces on the podium.
I really can't understand how the stewards can justify letting Vettel off so lightly. Deliberately crashing into someone else should, as an aboslute minimum, result in a race ban IMO. In a way I'm glad they didn't for the sake of the drivers' championship, but I still can't understand it.
I really can't understand how the stewards can justify letting Vettel off so lightly. Deliberately crashing into someone else should, as an aboslute minimum, result in a race ban IMO. In a way I'm glad they didn't for the sake of the drivers' championship, but I still can't understand it.
I'm sorry to mention my family Cadet karting days yet again on this thread - but it's the closest I ever got to being a F1 Team Principle 
- I once noticed that it was becoming the 'thing' to gesture at other kids on the track on the track. Believe me, they do watch the top drivers on the TV and copy what they do. I told my boys that I didn't intend paying out more money than I could afford for them to drive around during a race with one hand on the wheel, and if I ever caught them doing it I would take them off the track for a month. They believed me, and they never did.
Vettel has really let himself, his team and the sport down today.
And as for all that "we're all grown men" rubbish afterwards, well if that is so, just step round the corner behind the pits with Lewis then, and sort it out there.
- I once noticed that it was becoming the 'thing' to gesture at other kids on the track on the track. Believe me, they do watch the top drivers on the TV and copy what they do. I told my boys that I didn't intend paying out more money than I could afford for them to drive around during a race with one hand on the wheel, and if I ever caught them doing it I would take them off the track for a month. They believed me, and they never did.Vettel has really let himself, his team and the sport down today.
And as for all that "we're all grown men" rubbish afterwards, well if that is so, just step round the corner behind the pits with Lewis then, and sort it out there.
LP670 said:
what is it with german f1 champs tarnishing their careers with bonehead moves? i was impressed with how calm lewis remained throughout it all and how he handled himself in the C4 interview after the race. had shades of hill/schumacher about it
From this overhead view, it looks to me, IMHO, that Sebastian Vettel shunted Lewis Hamilton into the back of his Mercedes. While this happened, Vettel is shouting over the radio his claim that he had been brake tested... 
Sebastian Vettel Angry With Lewis Hamilton | Race | 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M2PcFEqhYc#t=3sec...
jsf said:
ZX10R NIN said:
No need for a head test for you, we just have a different point of view I don't agree with yours you don't agree with mine neither of us will change our minds so calm down make your point don't get personal & move on.
If you believe the car did that on its own, you really do need help. 
come to think of it, Vettel did use to name his cars. Maybe this one's called 'Christine'
Hamilton did something odd that caught Vettel out, Vettel got hot-headed and retaliated.
Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton bhing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.
Me? Opinionated?
Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton b
hing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.Me? Opinionated?
CanoeSniffer said:
Hamilton did something odd that caught Vettel out, Vettel got hot-headed and retaliated.
Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton bhing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.
Me? Opinionated?
whatever glue you use on your canoe you need to stop sniffing it. Every pundit/ expert has come down on Vettel and his very poor attitude.Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton b
hing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.Me? Opinionated?
CanoeSniffer said:
Hamilton did something odd that caught Vettel out, Vettel got hot-headed and retaliated.
Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton bhing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.
Me? Opinionated?
Oh shut up.Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton b
hing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.Me? Opinionated?
1) fia penalised Vettel
2) fia have since confirmed that Hamilton did nothing wrong and didn't brake check Vettel
3) Vettel has played down his driving in post race interviews and denies he's done anything wrong
4) Hamilton has stated it sets a bad example for younger kids....which it has
5) how did Vettel come across better than Lewis. Vettel denies he did anything wrong, where as Lewis says it sets a bad example.
...if you want to look for arrogant self absorbent t
ts, look no further than Vettel at the moment....drives into another competitor and thinks he's done nothing wrong.johnxjsc1985 said:
Don't think Danny got enough praise from Red Bull they seemed to be focusing on saying how well Max was driving etc and when you look at that performance by Ricciardo it was so mature and very quick
They know he's basically a certainty for a multiple world champion, and with the failures he is likely to look elsewhere after a while like Hamilton did with McLaren when there kept being problems. However yes, it was a great race by Danny and good to see him on the podium, even if it wasn't so good for the other people there, 
Potentially the Hamilton/Vettel incidents were to avoid having the risk of drinking out of his shoe!LaurasOtherHalf said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
if he had just said "I misread the situation and reacted poorly and I was righty penalised for my actions" I think most people would have seen that as the decent thing to do but to pretend it did not happened was just so unbecoming of a World Champion.
He was exactly the same over the Multi 21 situation, instead of just saying "I'm fighting for a WDC I'm not going to not attack a fellow driver given the chance" he resorted to the bullst excuses of not hearing the call, or misunderstanding what Multi 21 meant etc.CanoeSniffer said:
Hamilton did something odd that caught Vettel out, Vettel got hot-headed and retaliated.
Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton bhing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.
Me? Opinionated?
You are entitled to your opinion but there has to be a lot of prejudice in you to make such a foolish comment. You clearly don't like hamilton for his off track lifestyle but this is about what happened on track. Vettel didn't play anything down, he denied any responsibility for his aggressive and unsportsmanlike conduct, there was only one "arrogant self-absorbed tVettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton b
hing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.Me? Opinionated?
t" today and it was the German lad.CanoeSniffer said:
Vettel is punished accordingly
Putting your frankly disturbing hatred of Hamilton and his social life aside, do you honestly think Vettel was punished appropriately?I'm boringly on the fence with drivers/teams so have no horse in the race as it were, but a 10 second penalty and 3 meaningless points is never enough for deliberately pulling alongside another driver, gesturing angrily then driving into them. Even more so in open wheeled cars.
The example that sets to kids and racers and the precedent it sets in F1 is pretty appalling in my opinion.
I'd say that if it was Vettel, Hamilton, Perez or any other driver. Genuine accidents and misjudgements are one thing, this was neither.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
He was exactly the same over the Multi 21 situation, instead of just saying "I'm fighting for a WDC I'm not going to not attack a fellow driver given the chance" he resorted to the bullst excuses of not hearing the call, or misunderstanding what Multi 21 meant etc.
To be fair on the bloke, I think we could say that about all drivers at sometime in their careers.t excuses of not hearing the call, or misunderstanding what Multi 21 meant etc.But you are right. By his demeanour during the red flag stop he knew he'd dropped one.
I never really took to SV in the early days but he seems to have changed a bit over recent seasons and I was beginning to like him. But as soon as he was back in the lead of the championship he reverts.
Enjoyable race though. Lots of talking points. I was Impressed by Bottas' drive.
hunter 66 said:
Nice to see F1 being "spiced up"
And great to see Stroll's day with Rob Wilson .... seems to have worked .... well done
I wasn't paying attention for the whole race but did we see any evidence of "flat car"?And great to see Stroll's day with Rob Wilson .... seems to have worked .... well done
OTOH Jolyon Palmer has also been through the Rob Wilson training and it doesn't seem to be doing him much good this year.
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