The Official 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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bobbo89 said:
Contrived and fixed? Really?!!
Had Hamilton not had the issue he had, he'd have won. The incident with Vettell played no part in him losing the win, if anything it helped towards damage limitation as Vettell would have taken the win had he not lost his cool.
Was each of the 3 safety cars fully justified ? Would a virtual safety car have an adequate precaution instead for any of those 3 safety cars? Was the 4th incident sufficiently more severe than the previous 3 safety car incidents to justify stopping the race ? Vettel benefitted enormously from each safety car deployment; Hamilton's cockpit trim issue followed the race stoppage. Its reasonable to assume that if the race hadn't been red flagged and re-started then Hamilton would not have had any issue with the cockpit trim........Had Hamilton not had the issue he had, he'd have won. The incident with Vettell played no part in him losing the win, if anything it helped towards damage limitation as Vettell would have taken the win had he not lost his cool.
CanoeSniffer said:
Strange attitude to bring to a forum
I'm making no attempt to be prejudiced, maybe inadvertently as I do believe LH is a prize tit, but I'm not overly fond of SV either..
Just called it as I saw it. Opinions are like a
holes and all that 
You might want to go and see a doctor about your aI'm making no attempt to be prejudiced, maybe inadvertently as I do believe LH is a prize tit, but I'm not overly fond of SV either..
Just called it as I saw it. Opinions are like a
holes and all that hole CanoeSniffer said:
Hamilton did something odd that caught Vettel out, Vettel got hot-headed and retaliated.
Vettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton bhing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.
Me? Opinionated?
Off the track as far as I know Hamilton doesn't seem to get into brawls, end up drunk in the street or have been busted for drugs, gambling or any other vice.... unlike half the footballers people seem to idolise. So what exactly is it he does that makes you say he is a 'constant disgrace'? I get that you may not like his lifestyle, but I don't think you can rightfully call him a disgrace? Is it a touch of jealously or worse maybe? Or maybe you are the arrogant self-absorbed tVettel is punished accordingly.
Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway.
As soon as Vettel emerged in front (bear in mind that Hamilton effectively 'gained' 7 tenths with his 9.3s stop to Vettels 10s), Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining.
And I actually thought that Vettel gave a far better impression during the post-race interviews than Hamilton (C4). Vettel playing down the politics post-incident and Hamilton b
hing and whining again. 'Kids watching on TV', 'he's disgraced himself', well kids watching at home could do a lot better than look to you as a role model you arrogant self-absorbed tt, and as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit, regardless of your ability on it.Me? Opinionated?
t instead?CanoeSniffer said:
37chevy said:
Oh shut up.
Strange attitude to bring to a forumI'm making no attempt to be prejudiced, maybe inadvertently as I do believe LH is a prize tit, but I'm not overly fond of SV either..
Just called it as I saw it. Opinions are like a
holes and all that Firstly, to add my opinion to all the others: Vettel should've been black flagged, wirthout any concideration of the WM. End. of. It was an incredibly immature and dangerous thing to do. what if he had slightly damaged Hamiltons suspension, and then it lets go doing 340kmh two laps later?
Absolutly Inexcusable behavior, no ifs and buts.
I also think it's time for a change of the guard in race control: I think Charlie Whiting has long passed his zenith, it's time they got some new blood in.
And please, someone who is capable of making the same decisons for the same offences, instead of pulling the penalties out of a hat every race, like a magicion with a rabbit. and this nonsence with deploying the safety car at the slightest excuse: Charlie, this is top-level motorsport, not a school sports day, if the drivers are so afraid of something happening, they would be playing table tennis and not racing F1 cars.
And don't get me started on the marshals: what a shower, they need some training from the guys at Silverstone or Spa, their performance was embarrasingly bad.
Absolutly Inexcusable behavior, no ifs and buts.
I also think it's time for a change of the guard in race control: I think Charlie Whiting has long passed his zenith, it's time they got some new blood in.
And please, someone who is capable of making the same decisons for the same offences, instead of pulling the penalties out of a hat every race, like a magicion with a rabbit. and this nonsence with deploying the safety car at the slightest excuse: Charlie, this is top-level motorsport, not a school sports day, if the drivers are so afraid of something happening, they would be playing table tennis and not racing F1 cars.
And don't get me started on the marshals: what a shower, they need some training from the guys at Silverstone or Spa, their performance was embarrasingly bad.
Edited by GuitarTech on Sunday 25th June 23:30
Edited by GuitarTech on Sunday 25th June 23:35
We watched it on catch up and enjoyed it, but it made F1 look like a farce with all the safety cars and the red flag.
Nice to see Stroll get on the podium, great for the sport and for Williams.
This is potentially a very dangerous circuit which one day may well cause a very nasty accident similar to the one which sadly took Jeff Krosnoff.
F1 should not be at these low grade tracks with concrete and wire fencing all the way round the circuit.
Nice to see Stroll get on the podium, great for the sport and for Williams.
This is potentially a very dangerous circuit which one day may well cause a very nasty accident similar to the one which sadly took Jeff Krosnoff.
F1 should not be at these low grade tracks with concrete and wire fencing all the way round the circuit.
cb1965 said:
Off the track as far as I know Hamilton doesn't seem to get into brawls, end up drunk in the street or have been busted for drugs, gambling or any other vice.... unlike half the footballers people seem to idolise. So what exactly is it he does that makes you say he is a 'constant disgrace'? I get that you may not like his lifestyle, but I don't think you can rightfully call him a disgrace? Is it a touch of jealously or worse maybe? Or maybe you are the arrogant self-absorbed tt instead?
In CanoeSniffer's strange world, if Hamilton makes reference to kids then he is a tt instead?t. However he (CanoeSniffer) is happy to announce himself as a "boy owner" of a rather ratty Chim. 
Second Best said:
cb1965 said:
Off the track as far as I know Hamilton doesn't seem to get into brawls, end up drunk in the street or have been busted for drugs, gambling or any other vice.... unlike half the footballers people seem to idolise. So what exactly is it he does that makes you say he is a 'constant disgrace'? I get that you may not like his lifestyle, but I don't think you can rightfully call him a disgrace? Is it a touch of jealously or worse maybe? Or maybe you are the arrogant self-absorbed tt instead?
In CanoeSniffer's strange world, if Hamilton makes reference to kids then he is a tt instead?t. However he (CanoeSniffer) is happy to announce himself as a "boy owner" of a rather ratty Chim. k down 
A little bit confused as to how deductions about me/comments about my car or age come into this conversation at all? Is any of this in the context of my post?
PH: comment your views on something, get some weird unjustified s
t thrown your way. I thought F1 was a sport for grown ups.And as a response to the small amount of debate/conversation within this pile of s
te, I think openly flaunting your vast wealth whilst also trying to maintain pretensions of being the new saviour and ambassador of the impoverished, is disgraceful.If personal attacks is the bag down in this section of PH, I probably won't be coming back. Enjoy the debate fellas
ETA: just to bring at least a degree of sense to this whole s
tstorm, thought I'd add that I really enjoyed the GP. The SCs perhaps were tactically applied to manufacture a scenario, I'd have to find my tin foil hat to draw any conclusion on that, but it definitely made it more enjoyable IMO (oh st don't have an opinion! 
). Big congratulations to Lance Stroll, obviously circumstances fell his way and it wasn't exactly a legendary drive, but there was still a job to be done and he showed that he could do it. Feeling sore on Force India's behalf, and of course Max. Hugely talented young driver, his time will come I'm sure.Edited by CanoeSniffer on Monday 26th June 00:40
CanoeSniffer said:
angsty stuff
My one-line throwaway comment seemed to get you very hot and bothered. It was meant as a light-hearted quip. If you can dish out insults, don't get all pissy when you get a nonchalant comment thrown your way. 
Life is bigger than what some folks think about F1 drivers on a forum. Don't take it so seriously. Most of us here just enjoy a chat, a reasoned debate, and perhaps the odd insult too. No need to start f'ing and blinding and subsequently ragequitting just because someone dared to disagree with you. Stick around, watch/read/listen to the conversation, enjoy the debate. It's part of being an enthusiast. Woe betide anybody who doesn't like TVRs that comments on your thread after you've finished your work.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Don't think Danny got enough praise from Red Bull they seemed to be focusing on saying how well Max was driving etc and when you look at that performance by Ricciardo it was so mature and very quick
Never had enough respect tbh, it's all about if your face fits etc, the on paper difference between the drivers is wafer thin nowadays between drivers, but being favoured and being seen to be favoured definitely brings an edge to a driver because the whole team buys into it and finds you an edge. At the moment ricciardo is in the kitchen at a party. cb1965 said:
Probably? Shame!
PS A lot of people who earn a lot of money give a fair amount to charity/do a lot of work for various charities.... I'll wager Hamilton does more than many in this respect!
And I'd wager that it's a smaller proportion of his income than for a number of mere mortals in difficult or low-paid full time work, who don't feel the need to create a separate Instagram account for each charity cheque they write.PS A lot of people who earn a lot of money give a fair amount to charity/do a lot of work for various charities.... I'll wager Hamilton does more than many in this respect!
(Note no accusations levelled towards you, no character judgements, just response within the context of the thread- this is nice, right?)
CanoeSniffer said:
PH: comment your views on something, get some weird unjustified st thrown your way. I thought F1 was a sport for grown ups.
To be fair you set yourself upt thrown your way. I thought F1 was a sport for grown ups.Edited by CanoeSniffer on Monday 26th June 00:40
"Hamilton throws his toys out the pram anyway" - didn't hear that myself
"Hamilton is on the radio crying and complaining" - about what, I didn't hear it why don't you give us an example?
"Vettel playing down the politics post-incident" - No s
t Sherlock, Vettel was in the wrong, knew it and tried to blame Hamilton for the incident, the race stewards (with all the data) begged to differ and blamed Vettel"he's disgraced himself'" - How? Again an example would be nice.
"as far as I'm concerned you are a constant disgrace off the circuit" - in what way exactly?
"Me? Opinionated?" - You said it, although on that we do agree.
Second Best said:
My one-line throwaway comment seemed to get you very hot and bothered. It was meant as a light-hearted quip. If you can dish out insults, don't get all pissy when you get a nonchalant comment thrown your way.
Life is bigger than what some folks think about F1 drivers on a forum. Don't take it so seriously. Most of us here just enjoy a chat, a reasoned debate, and perhaps the odd insult too. No need to start f'ing and blinding and subsequently ragequitting just because someone dared to disagree with you. Stick around, watch/read/listen to the conversation, enjoy the debate. It's part of being an enthusiast. Woe betide anybody who doesn't like TVRs that comments on your thread after you've finished your work.
I won't pretend that I wasn't wound up- it was beginning to feel like a witch hunt. A bunch of people berating me for my opinion, that's fine, that's what forums are for- but to dig up something unrelated to the topic and related only to myself for what felt like a low blow, I hope you can understand why I hit 'not having this' territory. Especially seeing asLife is bigger than what some folks think about F1 drivers on a forum. Don't take it so seriously. Most of us here just enjoy a chat, a reasoned debate, and perhaps the odd insult too. No need to start f'ing and blinding and subsequently ragequitting just because someone dared to disagree with you. Stick around, watch/read/listen to the conversation, enjoy the debate. It's part of being an enthusiast. Woe betide anybody who doesn't like TVRs that comments on your thread after you've finished your work.
Second Best said:
If you can dish out insults
I haven't dished out any insults Well not to PHers anyway, only to a public and polarising figure- which is what public and polarising figures are for Shirley? Fair to say the defence has been vociferous
No hard feelings
I'm a Ferrari fan and I'd consider myself to be one of the last people to defend LH, as I think he is a tt, but...
even I can see that Vettel was in the wrong and should have been black flagged.
Driving into the back of Hamilton would probably have resulted in a 5 second stop-go at the next pit-stop, or 5 seconds added to his time, but to drive along side and then deliberately bump him is so far out of order an immediate DQ should have been the only response from the stewards.
t, but...even I can see that Vettel was in the wrong and should have been black flagged.
Driving into the back of Hamilton would probably have resulted in a 5 second stop-go at the next pit-stop, or 5 seconds added to his time, but to drive along side and then deliberately bump him is so far out of order an immediate DQ should have been the only response from the stewards.
pingu393 said:
I'm a Ferrari fan and I'd consider myself to be one of the last people to defend LH, as I think he is a tt, but...
even I can see that Vettel was in the wrong and should have been black flagged.
Driving into the back of Hamilton would probably have resulted in a 5 second stop-go at the next pit-stop, or 5 seconds added to his time, but to drive along side and then deliberately bump him is so far out of order an immediate DQ should have been the only response from the stewards.
I wonder what the stewards would have done if lewis rammed him back..t, but...even I can see that Vettel was in the wrong and should have been black flagged.
Driving into the back of Hamilton would probably have resulted in a 5 second stop-go at the next pit-stop, or 5 seconds added to his time, but to drive along side and then deliberately bump him is so far out of order an immediate DQ should have been the only response from the stewards.
or if lewis was the one behind vettel, and did what he did... im betting they would have had his superlicence cancelled before he even managed to get back to the pits!
consistency? equality? Pah, don't make me laugh
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