The Official 2018 F1 Silly Season *Contains Speculation*

The Official 2018 F1 Silly Season *Contains Speculation*

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anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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suffolk009 said:
You're probably right. I'd forgotten this was Ferrari we're talking about.

Upon reflection I can't see Alonso agreeing to have a gearbox seal broken - or heeding the radio message "Sebastian is faster than you".

Only situation I can now see Alonso back at Ferrari is if Vettel leaves. 10% chance?
Vettel being faster in the same car as Alonso would be very unlikely unless they forgot to fit the turbo to Alonso's car. biggrin

Vaud

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50,625 posts

156 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Remember this is F1.

All a bunch of liar's and cheats if they can get away with it.

Until contracts are 100% secure anything can happen.
True, but I still can't see why they would want him unless Vettel left.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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Vaud said:
True, but I still can't see why they would want him unless Vettel left.
No I have to agree with you.

Would love to see it though as having two top drivers in a team is very rare now frown

Vaud

Original Poster:

50,625 posts

156 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Vaud said:
True, but I still can't see why they would want him unless Vettel left.
No I have to agree with you.

Would love to see it though as having two top drivers in a team is very rare now frown
Maybe, it would make for a good show, but I don't think it would do Ferrari any good...

Managing high performing, selfish people is extremely hard.

Allyc85

7,225 posts

187 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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Kvyat to continue at Toro Rosso next year. Christ knows why they are bothering to fill a seat with such an average driver, with so many others on their books!

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 10th July 2017
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Allyc85 said:
Kvyat to continue at Toro Rosso next year. Christ knows why they are bothering to fill a seat with such an average driver, with so many others on their books!
Surely he is not going to be in F1 next year.

Red bull must have had to sign something crazy when he was demoted for Verstappen before he is still in the car.

ISO51200

1,270 posts

195 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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I'm guessing if Kyvat is staying then its a done deal that Sainz is off somewhere else, as far as I know they only have one young driver competent enough to step into F1 with Gasly.

If they are keeping both for another year and leaving Gasly on the sidelines then that's a bit of a dick move.

snowen250

1,090 posts

184 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Kubica in for Palmer?

Seems he was right on the pace in his test, loved by the team and it is a huge PR win for them (providing he is indeed quick enough) by having the first 'disabled' driver in Formula One.

It may happen. I'd love it too.

Also Ferrari next year, Seb and A.N.Other. I am sure they wont keep Kimi. I'd like to see Wherlain jump over personally. Quick hungry driver. But Ferrari do have an issue, they want a very quick guy in the second car, but one who rolls over when asked? Tough choice.

Simon

suffolk009

5,441 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Kubica at Renault would be great.

Massa to announce his retirement at the end of the year.

Massa to announce he's coming out of retirement to drive for Ferrari. Again.

Likes Fast Cars

2,773 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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suffolk009 said:
Kubica at Renault would be great.

Massa to announce his retirement at the end of the year.

Massa to announce he's coming out of retirement to drive for Ferrari. Again.
biglaugh

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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I would not be surprised if Massa is still in F1 for a good few years yet.

Williams took the risk with Stroll and having Massa there will no doubt help him move forward especially with set up issues.


Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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rubystone said:
I think with respect that this just will not happen. Alonso will very likely remain with McLaren when their Mercedes engine deal is announced; probably just after Spa. True, he might sign a 1 year extension leaving him free when (if) Verstappen does move to Ferrari to see what state the market is in then. If Ferrari re-sign Kimi for 2018 then it seems nailed-on that Max has a seat at Ferrari. The question is, who has the other?
There is a story in Italy (where else!) that McLaren have made a request to Ferrari to talk about engine supply...
Mercedes have recently made it pretty clear they don't want to by "the other guy" in the McLaren-Honda divorce, they are happy to talk engines but once they have split from Honda.

Meanwhile (weirdly) McLaren have started being a bit more positive about Honda - Alonso was saying postive things last weekend and there was an article on racer.com quoting Boullier as saying they are "on the right path".

I reckon they will have Honda engines next year. Outside chance of a podium this year too I think.

Vettel will sign a multi year contract for Ferrari, he doesn't have any other choice really. At the least, it'll be a 1+1.

The other interesting thing with Ferrari is they have Leclerc, who is quite literally approaching at speed. He's making everyone else look daft in F2.
If he's not in F1 next year, what do they do with him ? it'd be a waste to have him sat around and you can bet others will approach him.

2 options:
Put him in the Haas for an engine deal. Problem is both Haas drivers have a year on their contract and they and the team are quite happy apparently. So Ferrari have to oust one of them for Leclerc.

Put him in the Sauber. No longer running Ferrari engines but they will welcome the money.

They could of course put him in their own car, but they haven't taken a rookie since Gilles Villeneuve.


snowen250 said:
Kubica in for Palmer?
The idea still doesn't sit quite well with me, for practical reasons really. He must do 300km in a recent car (2 years old or less) and then the FIA have to accept the situation (i.e. he doesn't actually qualify for one) and grant him the license. My concern is that he hasn't raced on a circuit since his accident. Driving a car fast is one thing, racing is another.

The other thing is Renault want the second car to be scoring decent, consistent points. There isn't really any proof Kubica will be able to do that. If thats the aim they will want someone who can and is currently doing just that ? Comes down to how much of a risk they want to take.

Perez/Sainz could be a good option for them, maybe Grosjean/KMag if pushed out of Haas.

ZX10R NIN

27,648 posts

126 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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I hear that it's looking much more likely that Mclaren will have an Alfa Romeo (Ferrari) engine for 2018 it suits Ferrari as they want all the allies they can get when the renegotiations for the F1 pie start to take place.

Norfolkit

2,394 posts

191 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
I hear that it's looking much more likely that Mclaren will have an Alfa Romeo (Ferrari) engine for 2018 it suits Ferrari as they want all the allies they can get when the renegotiations for the F1 pie start to take place.
Not sure that will help Ferrari anymore, the Max and Bernie show is over, hopefully the days of teams going to the wall while Ferrari put out a dog of a car and still get the lion's share of the money are over.

Vaud

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50,625 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Norfolkit said:
Not sure that will help Ferrari anymore, the Max and Bernie show is over, hopefully the days of teams going to the wall while Ferrari put out a dog of a car and still get the lion's share of the money are over.
Is the current car (or engine) a dog?

LDN

8,912 posts

204 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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McLaren with a Ferrari engine?

Surely that's verging on blasphemy!

ZX10R NIN

27,648 posts

126 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Maybe that's why Ron sold his shares? Once he got wind of the direction they were thinking of going down he decided he couldn't live with that kind of decision.

Vaud

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50,625 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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LDN said:
McLaren with a Ferrari engine?

Surely that's verging on blasphemy!
Hence Alfa?

If Ferrari control supply of say, 4 teams, it gives them strong bagaining power into 2020, if those teams also then lobby based on what Ferrari want (not a stripped down engine)

Arguably Ferrari have the most to lose in a simplified engine battle?

LDN

8,912 posts

204 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Vaud said:
LDN said:
McLaren with a Ferrari engine?

Surely that's verging on blasphemy!
Hence Alfa?

If Ferrari control supply of say, 4 teams, it gives them strong bagaining power into 2020, if those teams also then lobby based on what Ferrari want (not a stripped down engine)

Arguably Ferrari have the most to lose in a simplified engine battle?
Yes it might be badged Alfa - but everyone would know it's a Ferrari engine and I think that would be nail in the coffin; at least as far as I'm concerned - for McLaren.

Vaud

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50,625 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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LDN said:
Yes it might be badged Alfa - but everyone would know it's a Ferrari engine and I think that would be nail in the coffin; at least as far as I'm concerned - for McLaren.
Why, out of interest? They had the Peugeot days, remember...