Sebastian Vettel
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paulguitar said:
Fundoreen said:
sparta6 said:
In other news - the streets on Monaco were eerily quiet over the weekend 
Must be desperate. The one thing to make being stuck there worthwhile cancelled... I bet lockdown in Monaco was pretty tough for most residents - unlike most countries there are more than enough police per resident to ensure the rules are being followed to the letter. Probably less of a concern for those that have a pool, gym, garden and games room to keep them busy, althought that's surprisingly few.
However, lockdown ends in a few days and they have probably effectively wiped out CV in their little corner of the world by now - so Monaco will return to being a place I enjoy very much.
However, lockdown ends in a few days and they have probably effectively wiped out CV in their little corner of the world by now - so Monaco will return to being a place I enjoy very much.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Seems to be a number of news feeds stating that Bottas is speaking with Red Bull and Renault.
If he does move will Vettel take the number two seat at Mercedes?
Or will Mercedes promote Russell?
Could be very interesting if Bottas is not given a new contract.
Reports of him speaking to other teams in no way increase the likelihood of him leaving Mercedes.If he does move will Vettel take the number two seat at Mercedes?
Or will Mercedes promote Russell?
Could be very interesting if Bottas is not given a new contract.
Vettel? Even if Bottas were to leave, why would Mercedes want to sign the least appropriate driver to pair with Lewis? Good marketing idea as Toto has said... But other than that one plus point, every other aspect would make it an appalling decision.
TheDeuce said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Seems to be a number of news feeds stating that Bottas is speaking with Red Bull and Renault.
If he does move will Vettel take the number two seat at Mercedes?
Or will Mercedes promote Russell?
Could be very interesting if Bottas is not given a new contract.
Reports of him speaking to other teams in no way increase the likelihood of him leaving Mercedes.If he does move will Vettel take the number two seat at Mercedes?
Or will Mercedes promote Russell?
Could be very interesting if Bottas is not given a new contract.
Vettel? Even if Bottas were to leave, why would Mercedes want to sign the least appropriate driver to pair with Lewis? Good marketing idea as Toto has said... But other than that one plus point, every other aspect would make it an appalling decision.
Vettel in the same car as Hamilton would not end well especially when Hamilton has been at the team so long.
Russell would be a better choice.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I totally agree. Vettel appearing at Mercedes would be bad for Mercedes and Vettel.
Vettel in the same car as Hamilton would not end well especially when Hamilton has been at the team so long.
Russell would be a better choice.
Yes. However I'd be amazed if Bottas doesn't remain - assuming he wishes to.. he should, it's very hard to imagine moving away from the top team would better his career overall at this point.Vettel in the same car as Hamilton would not end well especially when Hamilton has been at the team so long.
Russell would be a better choice.
Naturally he's going to be speaking to and leaking about speaking to every other team he could conceivably move to in order to ensure Mercedes aren't too cheap with whatever they offer him
If I were Wolff it would suit me to keep the Vettel story going as long as possible, until my deal with Hamilton was concluded. If Hamilton thinks Vettel could replace him at Mercedes at a lower cost, it keeps him keen. Where else could Hamilton go? The only lever Hamilton really has now is that he might retire instead of taking a lower than ideal offer. Well, Vettel's available, so so what, retire away!
janesmith1950 said:
If I were Wolff it would suit me to keep the Vettel story going as long as possible, until my deal with Hamilton was concluded. If Hamilton thinks Vettel could replace him at Mercedes at a lower cost, it keeps him keen. Where else could Hamilton go? The only lever Hamilton really has now is that he might retire instead of taking a lower than ideal offer. Well, Vettel's available, so so what, retire away!
I suspect if Hamilton was all of a sudden looking for a seat, he'd be found one almost anywhere by pretty much any means necessary. It's hard to consider him as anything other than the best driver in F1. Certainly, we know that is how the team managers see him.paulguitar said:
janesmith1950 said:
If I were Wolff it would suit me to keep the Vettel story going as long as possible, until my deal with Hamilton was concluded. If Hamilton thinks Vettel could replace him at Mercedes at a lower cost, it keeps him keen. Where else could Hamilton go? The only lever Hamilton really has now is that he might retire instead of taking a lower than ideal offer. Well, Vettel's available, so so what, retire away!
I suspect if Hamilton was all of a sudden looking for a seat, he'd be found one almost anywhere by pretty much any means necessary. It's hard to consider him as anything other than the best driver in F1. Certainly, we know that is how the team managers see him.Durzel said:
paulguitar said:
janesmith1950 said:
If I were Wolff it would suit me to keep the Vettel story going as long as possible, until my deal with Hamilton was concluded. If Hamilton thinks Vettel could replace him at Mercedes at a lower cost, it keeps him keen. Where else could Hamilton go? The only lever Hamilton really has now is that he might retire instead of taking a lower than ideal offer. Well, Vettel's available, so so what, retire away!
I suspect if Hamilton was all of a sudden looking for a seat, he'd be found one almost anywhere by pretty much any means necessary. It's hard to consider him as anything other than the best driver in F1. Certainly, we know that is how the team managers see him.housen said:
look seb isnt going anywhere ...hes toast
and hope alonso doesnt come back hes a fist
the renault seat is a none event
just give it back to hulk ...he seems like a nice guy and knows how the thing works
easy
I don't understand the repeated suggestions on these pages to bring Hulkenburg back.and hope alonso doesnt come back hes a fist
the renault seat is a none event
just give it back to hulk ...he seems like a nice guy and knows how the thing works
easy
He had a seat. He wasn't quick enough, so he lost his seat.
Why bring him back just because Ricciardo's going? You'd want someone in there who's fast.
As for Bottas talking to other teams, if his manager wasn't going to do that anyway then he's not much of a manager.
He may be attracted by some $$ at Renault but there's a question mark over exactly how much $$ Renault have considering they're being bailed out by the French Govt.
His risk is being usurped by George Russell but I think Toto wants to give him another year to see how he gets on before committing him to the seat. The whole lack of racing at the moment is quite inconvenient in that respect.
Muzzer79 said:
housen said:
look seb isnt going anywhere ...hes toast
and hope alonso doesnt come back hes a fist
the renault seat is a none event
just give it back to hulk ...he seems like a nice guy and knows how the thing works
easy
I don't understand the repeated suggestions on these pages to bring Hulkenburg back.and hope alonso doesnt come back hes a fist
the renault seat is a none event
just give it back to hulk ...he seems like a nice guy and knows how the thing works
easy
He had a seat. He wasn't quick enough, so he lost his seat.
Why bring him back just because Ricciardo's going? You'd want someone in there who's fast.
As for Bottas talking to other teams, if his manager wasn't going to do that anyway then he's not much of a manager.
He may be attracted by some $$ at Renault but there's a question mark over exactly how much $$ Renault have considering they're being bailed out by the French Govt.
His risk is being usurped by George Russell but I think Toto wants to give him another year to see how he gets on before committing him to the seat. The whole lack of racing at the moment is quite inconvenient in that respect.
janesmith1950 said:
If I were Wolff it would suit me to keep the Vettel story going as long as possible, until my deal with Hamilton was concluded. If Hamilton thinks Vettel could replace him at Mercedes at a lower cost, it keeps him keen. Where else could Hamilton go? The only lever Hamilton really has now is that he might retire instead of taking a lower than ideal offer. Well, Vettel's available, so so what, retire away!
Also keep the vettel story going as that way Mercedes get extra exposure - simply by talking about it sufficient to raise a few articles each week.The fact of vettel to Mercedes = disaster.
The idea of vettel to Mercedes = talking point.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Russell would be a better choice.
Wolff declined to have Ocon as team-mate to Lewis in case of another Rosberg-like feud.Can't see that ever happening if I was Lewis. Who wants to be beaten by their team-mate? You have to have great humility to admit you're past your peak, beaten by your team-mate and gladly pass on the torch.
On the other hand Wolff must have/has a provision in place in case Lewis leaves/in decline.
Muzzer79 said:
I don't understand the repeated suggestions on these pages to bring Hulkenburg back.
He had a seat. He wasn't quick enough, so he lost his seat.
Why bring him back just because Ricciardo's going? You'd want someone in there who's fast.
Every season is a game of musical chairs with raised hopes and expectations but clueless at making the car go quickerHe had a seat. He wasn't quick enough, so he lost his seat.
Why bring him back just because Ricciardo's going? You'd want someone in there who's fast.
Ocon is highly rated and possibly quicker than Hulk.
Hulk is proven driver who understands the dynamics of the Renault car - just look at how Smiley Daniel went to Grumpy Daniel as he struggled to adapt to the Renault.
I just don't see how having Hulk back is a bad thing.
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