Sebastian Vettel
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TheDeuce said:
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Sold.
I'm a lateral thinker and I'd say it's done me well, especially as an engineer. But my god it makes people around me think I've lost the plot half the time! I'll read it for purposes of shared sympathy if nothing else
Just to double check, it's "The Perfect Car"? I have the page open on Amazon.
Yes, it's his Biography by Nick SkeensI'm a lateral thinker and I'd say it's done me well, especially as an engineer. But my god it makes people around me think I've lost the plot half the time! I'll read it for purposes of shared sympathy if nothing else
Just to double check, it's "The Perfect Car"? I have the page open on Amazon.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/f1-beyond-th...
Here’s Barnard’s podcast with Tom Clarkson, he’s very good to listen to.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
TheDeuce said:
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Sold.
I'm a lateral thinker and I'd say it's done me well, especially as an engineer. But my god it makes people around me think I've lost the plot half the time! I'll read it for purposes of shared sympathy if nothing else
Just to double check, it's "The Perfect Car"? I have the page open on Amazon.
Yes, it's his Biography by Nick SkeensI'm a lateral thinker and I'd say it's done me well, especially as an engineer. But my god it makes people around me think I've lost the plot half the time! I'll read it for purposes of shared sympathy if nothing else
Just to double check, it's "The Perfect Car"? I have the page open on Amazon.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/f1-beyond-th...
Here’s Barnard’s podcast with Tom Clarkson, he’s very good to listen to.
jsf said:
Not surprised at all. Vettel had a car capable of winning the championship twice and failed. Last year was the last straw with him crashing into his team mate and making far too many mistakes.
What is surprising is the initial spin that it was Vettel that walked, no doubt that pissed off Ferrari and they were going to correct that today.
...yes, it will certainly 'spice' up the rhetoric...What is surprising is the initial spin that it was Vettel that walked, no doubt that pissed off Ferrari and they were going to correct that today.
Vettel accuses Ferrari of lying about his “supposed” new contract
https://thejudge13.com/2020/07/03/vettel-accuses-f...
But reading the actual quotes, Binotto says they began discussions. Vettel says he didn't get an offer.
He also says 'We did not even discuss the matter' but I read that as they didn't discuss it once Ferrari said they wouldn't be making an offer.
If they had an initial discussion and later Ferrari decided not to make an offer then all parties are telling the truth.
Vettel seems to be clarifying that he didn't turn an offer down.
He also says 'We did not even discuss the matter' but I read that as they didn't discuss it once Ferrari said they wouldn't be making an offer.
If they had an initial discussion and later Ferrari decided not to make an offer then all parties are telling the truth.
Vettel seems to be clarifying that he didn't turn an offer down.
vdn said:
Vettel is a nice guy, by all accounts; but he’s never been in Hamilton’s league and Ferrari, rightly, realise it’s time to let him go. It’s about time Ferrari made some bold moves with their driver line ups. Sad to see SV go but it’s the right decision on Ferrari’s part.
On balance I agree, but I hope Vettel hangs around somewhere. If he doesn't end up with a race seat, I think he'd make a far better technical pundit than any of the current ones. It does leave us in this interesting situation where two of the top three teams have got entirely behind relatively young, enormously talented drivers. I wonder if it will essentially force Mercedes' hand with trying to get Russell a better car for next year, either at Mercedes themselves or in a stronger mid-field team. Otherwise as and when they lose Hamilton, they may find they lack a good driver of the correct generation with enough experience at the front of the grid to compete.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 4th July 08:06
If what Sebastian is saying is true, Ferrari have properly dumped him in brutal fashion. Telling him they weren’t at all interested in even opening up a dialogue is a dagger to the heart.
What is even more surprising is that Vettel is speaking so candidly about this, and before the season has even started. Surely there was an opportunity to publicly adopt a “It wasn’t working out for us”, or “We couldn’t reach an agreement” kind of narrative. It wasn’t Ferrari but Vettel who told us that there wasn’t even an offer on the table suggesting that Ferrari were amenable to sweetening the pill.
I think this is a strong hint that Vettel knows he won’t be in the sport in a driving capacity from next year. Maybe doesn’t even want to be. I don’t know whether we’re going to see sad Seb all season or whether he’s going to pull out all the stops in an effort to do a Rosberg style mic drop or whether we’re going to see him on an Alonso style crusade to try to build the legacy he feels he deserves.
Whatever happens next, there is one thing we can be sure of- Ferrari has smashed all records for the speed and severity of their swing from hot to cold
What is even more surprising is that Vettel is speaking so candidly about this, and before the season has even started. Surely there was an opportunity to publicly adopt a “It wasn’t working out for us”, or “We couldn’t reach an agreement” kind of narrative. It wasn’t Ferrari but Vettel who told us that there wasn’t even an offer on the table suggesting that Ferrari were amenable to sweetening the pill.
I think this is a strong hint that Vettel knows he won’t be in the sport in a driving capacity from next year. Maybe doesn’t even want to be. I don’t know whether we’re going to see sad Seb all season or whether he’s going to pull out all the stops in an effort to do a Rosberg style mic drop or whether we’re going to see him on an Alonso style crusade to try to build the legacy he feels he deserves.
Whatever happens next, there is one thing we can be sure of- Ferrari has smashed all records for the speed and severity of their swing from hot to cold
HustleRussell said:
If what Sebastian is saying is true, Ferrari have properly dumped him in brutal fashion. Telling him they weren’t at all interested in even opening up a dialogue is a dagger to the heart.
What is even more surprising is that Vettel is speaking so candidly about this, and before the season has even started. Surely there was an opportunity to publicly adopt a “It wasn’t working out for us”, or “We couldn’t reach an agreement” kind of narrative. It wasn’t Ferrari but Vettel who told us that there wasn’t even an offer on the table suggesting that Ferrari were amenable to sweetening the pill.
I think this is a strong hint that Vettel knows he won’t be in the sport in a driving capacity from next year. Maybe doesn’t even want to be. I don’t know whether we’re going to see sad Seb all season or whether he’s going to pull out all the stops in an effort to do a Rosberg style mic drop or whether we’re going to see him on an Alonso style crusade to try to build the legacy he feels he deserves.
Whatever happens next, there is one thing we can be sure of- Ferrari has smashed all records for the speed and severity of their swing from hot to cold
And judging by early pace, the idea of him in a pink Mercedes is no longer so crazy.What is even more surprising is that Vettel is speaking so candidly about this, and before the season has even started. Surely there was an opportunity to publicly adopt a “It wasn’t working out for us”, or “We couldn’t reach an agreement” kind of narrative. It wasn’t Ferrari but Vettel who told us that there wasn’t even an offer on the table suggesting that Ferrari were amenable to sweetening the pill.
I think this is a strong hint that Vettel knows he won’t be in the sport in a driving capacity from next year. Maybe doesn’t even want to be. I don’t know whether we’re going to see sad Seb all season or whether he’s going to pull out all the stops in an effort to do a Rosberg style mic drop or whether we’re going to see him on an Alonso style crusade to try to build the legacy he feels he deserves.
Whatever happens next, there is one thing we can be sure of- Ferrari has smashed all records for the speed and severity of their swing from hot to cold
HustleRussell said:
What is even more surprising is that Vettel is speaking so candidly about this, and before the season has even started. Surely there was an opportunity to publicly adopt a “It wasn’t working out for us”, or “We couldn’t reach an agreement” kind of narrative. It wasn’t Ferrari but Vettel who told us that there wasn’t even an offer on the table suggesting that Ferrari were amenable to sweetening the pill.
I think this is a strong hint that Vettel knows he won’t be in the sport in a driving capacity from next year. Maybe doesn’t even want to be. I don’t know whether we’re going to see sad Seb all season or whether he’s going to pull out all the stops in an effort to do a Rosberg style mic drop or whether we’re going to see him on an Alonso style crusade to try to build the legacy he feels he deserves.
Vettel hasn’t really got anything to lose by saying what he’s saying. I think this is a strong hint that Vettel knows he won’t be in the sport in a driving capacity from next year. Maybe doesn’t even want to be. I don’t know whether we’re going to see sad Seb all season or whether he’s going to pull out all the stops in an effort to do a Rosberg style mic drop or whether we’re going to see him on an Alonso style crusade to try to build the legacy he feels he deserves.
I imagine within F1 circles it would be known or a badly kept secret that he wasn’t offered a contract. People talk. Perhaps other team bourses might feel that he’s been hard done by. Either way I don’t think it would hurt his prospects, saying what he’s saying.
HTP99 said:
HustleRussell said:
If what Sebastian is saying is true, Ferrari have properly dumped him in brutal fashion. Telling him they weren’t at all interested in even opening up a dialogue is a dagger to the heart.
Wasn't Schumacher effectively dropped in a similar brutal fashion?HTP99 said:
HustleRussell said:
If what Sebastian is saying is true, Ferrari have properly dumped him in brutal fashion. Telling him they weren’t at all interested in even opening up a dialogue is a dagger to the heart.
Wasn't Schumacher effectively dropped in a similar brutal fashion?Exige77 said:
HTP99 said:
HustleRussell said:
If what Sebastian is saying is true, Ferrari have properly dumped him in brutal fashion. Telling him they weren’t at all interested in even opening up a dialogue is a dagger to the heart.
Wasn't Schumacher effectively dropped in a similar brutal fashion?Ferrari have a long history of dumping 'star' drivers if they underperform, criticise the team, or just outlive their welcome. Just look at how we got to the current driver lineup - Schumacher was retired to make way for Kimi, who was then paid to sit out two years of his contract to make room for Alonso, who was then sacked so Vettel could join. Nobody should be surprised by the way it's turned out, least of all Seb himself.
Ferrari have never exactly been a team to play happy families. 
t or get off the pot...thegreenhell said:
Ferrari have a long history of dumping 'star' drivers if they underperform, criticise the team, or just outlive their welcome. Just look at how we got to the current driver lineup - Schumacher was retired to make way for Kimi, who was then paid to sit out two years of his contract to make room for Alonso, who was then sacked so Vettel could join. Nobody should be surprised by the way it's turned out, least of all Seb himself.
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