Sebastian Vettel
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He won them 4 wdc in a row so they must have a soft spot for him.
One thing not mentioned during all the praise for Albon is that he was miles back from the top three runners.
Hopefully he can run at or near Max pace the rest of the year.
I can imagine Albon to 2nd team and kvyat out otherwise.
Why Kvyat? Has been around ages and why shouldnt he be picked up by another team like Haas/williams/alfa.
One thing not mentioned during all the praise for Albon is that he was miles back from the top three runners.
Hopefully he can run at or near Max pace the rest of the year.
I can imagine Albon to 2nd team and kvyat out otherwise.
Why Kvyat? Has been around ages and why shouldnt he be picked up by another team like Haas/williams/alfa.
thegreenhell said:
Red Bull will want the two fastest drivers on their books in the fastest cars, in order to maximise their championship potential. Seb won't go to Alpha Tauri. It makes no sense for either Seb or the team.
Red Bull is ultimately all about exposure of their product to the market.Vettel to RB and the disaster for Seb that would follow would produce far more exposure than Albon driving.
CH will want the fastest drivers who can bring home points and wins, DM will want the big stories.
It would be mad to take Seb based on his driving, but thats not the whole picture for a team like RB.
ajprice said:
AJB88 said:
Alpha Tauri is possible, RBR Horner has said no already.
I wouldn't trust anything he says 
. I think Seb at Red Bull is still very much a possibility.There is no way on earth he would go there, to get utterly spanked by Max, Max is also the golden child and Vettel has shown that under pressure, which he will be, if in the same team as Max, that he just can't cut it.
Edited by HTP99 on Tuesday 14th July 15:40
HustleRussell said:
Short memory! Vettel was pretty good under pressure during his Red Bull years...
What pressure was that? His car was more than 1 second/lap faster than any others, his team-mate was generally not allowed to compete. The one year he did have a competing team-mate he blew apart (against Ricciardo).KevinCamaroSS said:
HustleRussell said:
Short memory! Vettel was pretty good under pressure during his Red Bull years...
What pressure was that? His car was more than 1 second/lap faster than any others, his team-mate was generally not allowed to compete. The one year he did have a competing team-mate he blew apart (against Ricciardo).KevinCamaroSS said:
HustleRussell said:
Short memory! Vettel was pretty good under pressure during his Red Bull years...
What pressure was that? His car was more than 1 second/lap faster than any others, his team-mate was generally not allowed to compete. The one year he did have a competing team-mate he blew apart (against Ricciardo).A Max RedBull, if it suits Seb, happy days in as much as he can work with. If it doesn’t suit his style then it would be more embarrassment and pressure. Will he even get the chance?
We didn’t see Seb leaving Ferrari/Ricciardo to Mclaren/Sainz to Ferrari coming. Things could yet go south for Albon and suddenly Seb could be in play... we’ll probably know by the end of the season.
Hopefully Red Bull do bring him home, Albon is there because they had no body else so can't see why they wouldn't rid him at the first opportunity.
He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
SmoothCriminal said:
Hopefully Red Bull do bring him home, Albon is there because they had no body else so can't see why they wouldn't rid him at the first opportunity.
He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
Far too hard on Alex, he has put in some good drives and should have won the first race but for making a small mistake.He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
Lets see how he fares after a few more races, he was miles better than Gasly last year and was in his first F1 season.
It's an interesting point about Gasly-was he any further off VER than ALB is now? My memory is he wasn't that much slower-a couple of tenths here and there but had some shockers where he was miles off or just had a horrible race.
1.2 seconds a lap on Sunday in the first stint was awful. So far his best finish is 4th with an average of 5th or 6th, in the same time Max has had 4 podiums and a win.
Gasly had a best of 4th as well in 2019 in the Red Bull, a lot more 5th, 6th and 8th but did get a podium in the Toro Rosso.
I reckon they're about even looking at bare results, not always the best indicator I know but I wouldn't like to say one was better than the other without way more research on lap times.
1.2 seconds a lap on Sunday in the first stint was awful. So far his best finish is 4th with an average of 5th or 6th, in the same time Max has had 4 podiums and a win.
Gasly had a best of 4th as well in 2019 in the Red Bull, a lot more 5th, 6th and 8th but did get a podium in the Toro Rosso.
I reckon they're about even looking at bare results, not always the best indicator I know but I wouldn't like to say one was better than the other without way more research on lap times.
jsf said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Hopefully Red Bull do bring him home, Albon is there because they had no body else so can't see why they wouldn't rid him at the first opportunity.
He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
Far too hard on Alex, he has put in some good drives and should have won the first race but for making a small mistake.He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
Lets see how he fares after a few more races, he was miles better than Gasly last year and was in his first F1 season.
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- I think on some level Gasly learned from the big boy car, but he simply doesn't appear to be able to go far enough to master it.Albon also needs to grow in to the car but he has proved to be an attacking driver and he IS fast, he can totally extract the performance enough of the time to have promise. He's also young and on occasion rash... But that at least can be expected to improve. He's got the raw ability, he just needs to develop the art of racing in a tricky car and at the highest level.
SmoothCriminal said:
Hopefully Red Bull do bring him home, Albon is there because they had no body else so can't see why they wouldn't rid him at the first opportunity.
He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
We talking about the same Albon?He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
He is to Red Bull what Bottas is to Mercedes.... nearly. Marco has said previously his preference is to loose a win where the driver gave it a go than trundle home mid-field.
Vettel in the same team as Verstappen would IMO, be incendiary to levels unseen since Senna / Prost. Fascinating to watch but ultimately doomed to fail.
Vettel in the same team as Albon though......
LaurasOtherHalf said:
It's an interesting point about Gasly-was he any further off VER than ALB is now? My memory is he wasn't that much slower-a couple of tenths here and there but had some shockers where he was miles off or just had a horrible race.
1.2 seconds a lap on Sunday in the first stint was awful. So far his best finish is 4th with an average of 5th or 6th, in the same time Max has had 4 podiums and a win.
Gasly had a best of 4th as well in 2019 in the Red Bull, a lot more 5th, 6th and 8th but did get a podium in the Toro Rosso.
I reckon they're about even looking at bare results, not always the best indicator I know but I wouldn't like to say one was better than the other without way more research on lap times.
I'd say the difference that the results mask, is that Gasly got lesser results than he should have done by under driving the car. Albon gets lesser results because he makes mistakes or pushes at the wrong times, and wipes out what he had gained by actually driving the car very well for the most part.1.2 seconds a lap on Sunday in the first stint was awful. So far his best finish is 4th with an average of 5th or 6th, in the same time Max has had 4 podiums and a win.
Gasly had a best of 4th as well in 2019 in the Red Bull, a lot more 5th, 6th and 8th but did get a podium in the Toro Rosso.
I reckon they're about even looking at bare results, not always the best indicator I know but I wouldn't like to say one was better than the other without way more research on lap times.
One driver is a driver at their limit. The other needs tidying up a bit and I suspect we will see the points rise to match the talent.
KevinCamaroSS said:
HustleRussell said:
Short memory! Vettel was pretty good under pressure during his Red Bull years...
What pressure was that? His car was more than 1 second/lap faster than any others, his team-mate was generally not allowed to compete. The one year he did have a competing team-mate he blew apart (against Ricciardo).REALIST123 said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
HustleRussell said:
Short memory! Vettel was pretty good under pressure during his Red Bull years...
What pressure was that? His car was more than 1 second/lap faster than any others, his team-mate was generally not allowed to compete. The one year he did have a competing team-mate he blew apart (against Ricciardo).Just making the point, that finding it hard to win a championship doesn't mean the driver is a genius for managing it.. It could by the same token mean that they struggled themselves but in the end, the car was good enough to still achieve it.
In 2018 didn't Seb have a car that was just about the equal of Lewis's? What happened then? Or 2019, with full cheat mode he definitely had a good enough car. If he could have only kept it pointing in the direction of travel around the circuit..
jsf said:
REALIST123 said:
You want to go back and check the facts. The Championships he won were much closer and harder fought than just about any since.
Good job he had a seriously superior car then, he would have been spanked in something less able. 
TheDeuce said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
It's an interesting point about Gasly-was he any further off VER than ALB is now? My memory is he wasn't that much slower-a couple of tenths here and there but had some shockers where he was miles off or just had a horrible race.
1.2 seconds a lap on Sunday in the first stint was awful. So far his best finish is 4th with an average of 5th or 6th, in the same time Max has had 4 podiums and a win.
Gasly had a best of 4th as well in 2019 in the Red Bull, a lot more 5th, 6th and 8th but did get a podium in the Toro Rosso.
I reckon they're about even looking at bare results, not always the best indicator I know but I wouldn't like to say one was better than the other without way more research on lap times.
I'd say the difference that the results mask, is that Gasly got lesser results than he should have done by under driving the car. Albon gets lesser results because he makes mistakes or pushes at the wrong times, and wipes out what he had gained by actually driving the car very well for the most part.1.2 seconds a lap on Sunday in the first stint was awful. So far his best finish is 4th with an average of 5th or 6th, in the same time Max has had 4 podiums and a win.
Gasly had a best of 4th as well in 2019 in the Red Bull, a lot more 5th, 6th and 8th but did get a podium in the Toro Rosso.
I reckon they're about even looking at bare results, not always the best indicator I know but I wouldn't like to say one was better than the other without way more research on lap times.
One driver is a driver at their limit. The other needs tidying up a bit and I suspect we will see the points rise to match the talent.
It’s easier to tame a driver at the limit than to get a driver to the limit.
Albon is consistently best of the rest. Gasly was consistently being beaten in races by mclarens, racing points, etc.
AA just needs a little more time. He very much could have won the first race had Hamilton not had him off. He was a little naive and impatient for his part, but at least he was there in the position, having a go.
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