Sebastian Vettel
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Follow the money, would Russia and Mexico be interested in hosting a GP without Kvyt and Perez in the sport? What do K-Mag and Grosjean bring to the sport except a lot of trouble for Gunther?
Kimi is passed it, although he still has a good fan base with the type of people who find "taking a s
t" the height of humour and at least is an ex-champion. He's better than Giovinazzi but that isn't saying much, I suppose he's at least a marker to benchmark the young drivers against.
Is there anyone causing big waves in the lower formula except Zhou? People want something from Mick Schumacher but is he going to deliver? Zhou is under Renault now instead of Ferrari and he isn't going there any time soon.
Alonso coming back shows the lack of talent out there IMHO, Vettel being signed to Aston Martin at best is a travesty.
Perez and Kvyt bring $, Haas need $-one of them can get a seat there.
Schumacher needs to get a shift on, stick him in the Alfa otherwise he'll end up doing a Palmer.
That was so much easier to read, thank you. Kimi is passed it, although he still has a good fan base with the type of people who find "taking a s
t" the height of humour and at least is an ex-champion. He's better than Giovinazzi but that isn't saying much, I suppose he's at least a marker to benchmark the young drivers against.Is there anyone causing big waves in the lower formula except Zhou? People want something from Mick Schumacher but is he going to deliver? Zhou is under Renault now instead of Ferrari and he isn't going there any time soon.
Alonso coming back shows the lack of talent out there IMHO, Vettel being signed to Aston Martin at best is a travesty.
Perez and Kvyt bring $, Haas need $-one of them can get a seat there.
Schumacher needs to get a shift on, stick him in the Alfa otherwise he'll end up doing a Palmer.
Vettel to tracing point and every pundit is saying perez will be the one moves as the other driver is the bosses son.
Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
Russell and Latifi confirmed for Williams next year: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.russell...
Vettel won't be getting either of those seats then
Vettel won't be getting either of those seats then
TheDeuce said:
Russell and Latifi confirmed for Williams next year: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.russell...
Vettel won't be getting either of those seats then
That's a shame, in so much as it means Russell is getting one of those seats.Vettel won't be getting either of those seats then
kiseca said:
That's a shame, in so much as it means Russell is getting one of those seats.
Yea... He's appears to be great but he really is stuck at Williams for the foreseeable future. So long as Lewis and Mercedes both remain and are odds on to win titles, Mercedes aren't going to rock the boat by replacing Bottas imo. Vettel probably will go to RP at some point, so that avenue is closed off too. McLaren? They already have two star drivers next year onward.GR deserves to drive more than 3/4 of an F1 car.
Fundoreen said:
Vettel to tracing point and every pundit is saying perez will be the one moves as the other driver is the bosses son.
Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
If Stroll snr was in this for F1 and not to indulge his son, he’d have dumped him a long time ago. Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
The biggest thing against Vettel going to RP is that the son will be made to look even worse.
TheDeuce said:
kiseca said:
That's a shame, in so much as it means Russell is getting one of those seats.
Yea... He's appears to be great but he really is stuck at Williams for the foreseeable future. So long as Lewis and Mercedes both remain and are odds on to win titles, Mercedes aren't going to rock the boat by replacing Bottas imo. Vettel probably will go to RP at some point, so that avenue is closed off too. McLaren? They already have two star drivers next year onward.GR deserves to drive more than 3/4 of an F1 car.
HustleRussell said:
Boo hoo, 'stuck' in a secure and improving F1 seat with a direct upward path to the championship team...
Being 'stuck' in the Mercedes family is indeed good - and it's certainly a secure seat for him at Williams.I'm not so sure about Williams improving enough to get excited about. Obviously he did get in to Q2 the other day which is exciting times indeed... Although the biggest factor in that was Ferrari's cock up having forced the other Ferrari powered cars into Q1 elimination, forcing the Williams back out of it!
That's not to say that Williams have not improved their car, they quite clearly have. But the improvement relative to the rest of the grid does have a lot to do with a big chunk of the grid performing less well than last year.
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
Boo hoo, 'stuck' in a secure and improving F1 seat with a direct upward path to the championship team...
Being 'stuck' in the Mercedes family is indeed good - and it's certainly a secure seat for him at Williams.I'm not so sure about Williams improving enough to get excited about. Obviously he did get in to Q2 the other day which is exciting times indeed... Although the biggest factor in that was Ferrari's cock up having forced the other Ferrari powered cars into Q1 elimination, forcing the Williams back out of it!
That's not to say that Williams have not improved their car, they quite clearly have. But the improvement relative to the rest of the grid does have a lot to do with a big chunk of the grid performing less well than last year.
REALIST123 said:
Fundoreen said:
Vettel to tracing point and every pundit is saying perez will be the one moves as the other driver is the bosses son.
Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
If Stroll snr was in this for F1 and not to indulge his son, he’d have dumped him a long time ago. Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
The biggest thing against Vettel going to RP is that the son will be made to look even worse.
HustleRussell said:
This season he is racing against people other than his team mate. It is important in his development.
Fully agree.Although as bit of a Williams fan, I was a little sad to see them still end last race both lapped by the cars ahead of them. There will indeed be more proper racing for GR to get involved in this season regardless.
Fundoreen said:
Vettel to tracing point and every pundit is saying perez will be the one moves as the other driver is the bosses son.
Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
Where do you draw this line.Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
If a man, buys his son a racing kart, and both enjoy him racing it. If the results are bad, should the dad put someone else's kid in the kart?
How about if he can pay for a Ginetta Junior team?
Or a formula 4 team?
Or an F3 team?
When does "spending your money to further your sons racing" become corrupt or wrong in some way?
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
Boo hoo, 'stuck' in a secure and improving F1 seat with a direct upward path to the championship team...
Being 'stuck' in the Mercedes family is indeed good - and it's certainly a secure seat for him at Williams.I'm not so sure about Williams improving enough to get excited about. Obviously he did get in to Q2 the other day which is exciting times indeed... Although the biggest factor in that was Ferrari's cock up having forced the other Ferrari powered cars into Q1 elimination, forcing the Williams back out of it!
That's not to say that Williams have not improved their car, they quite clearly have. But the improvement relative to the rest of the grid does have a lot to do with a big chunk of the grid performing less well than last year.
Until he gets an opportunity to show his stuff in a good team, he's always in danger of being the next Hulkenburg: The guy who was raved about at the start of his career, then in the middle of his career had commentators saying the can't see why he hasn't been given a top drive yet, and then at the end of his career everyone is wondering why there's so much fuss about a guy who never got a podium.
Yes a top drive may well be in George's future, but until he gets it, simply put, it's just a maybe. A what if.
Munter said:
Where do you draw this line.
If a man, buys his son a racing kart, and both enjoy him racing it. If the results are bad, should the dad put someone else's kid in the kart?
How about if he can pay for a Ginetta Junior team?
Or a formula 4 team?
Or an F3 team?
When does "spending your money to further your sons racing" become corrupt or wrong in some way?
I suppose it's fair to say that Lance enjoys an extended F1 opportunity that he wouldn't have had without his father's money - and there is nothing wrong with that, it's just the way it is. What Dad wouldn't do that if money was no object?If a man, buys his son a racing kart, and both enjoy him racing it. If the results are bad, should the dad put someone else's kid in the kart?
How about if he can pay for a Ginetta Junior team?
Or a formula 4 team?
Or an F3 team?
When does "spending your money to further your sons racing" become corrupt or wrong in some way?
There does at some point become a conflict there though.. He must also care that his son understands where that money came from in the first place - and it didn't come from endlessly propping up poor performing investments. As it stands, as an investment in F1 Lance's results are arguably passable, there has been a steady improvement at least. But I do wonder what would happen if RP ascended to the point that challenging for a title was realistic, but only if they improve their driver pairing by ejecting Lance... Would his Dad gift him the seat no matter what? Or as a Dad would he ultimately opt to make the sensible and necessary decision? He must surely want the heir to his fortune to appreciate that sometimes common sense must ride above preference in business.
I believe there may well come a point at which Lance remaining at RP will be laughable to the extent that his Dad will have a big decision to make. I don't think it's fair to assume he will back his sons wishes come what may. We haven't reached that point yet, so we don't know what he would do.
You're talking as if he was completely inept. He may not be Lewis Hamilton, but he's not Taki Inoue either. He won three junior single-seater titles and has an F1 podium. He's not the worst driver ever in F1. He's not even the worst driver in F1 this season. Put him in a current Mercedes and he'd be regularly on the podium.
thegreenhell said:
You're talking as if he was completely inept. He may not be Lewis Hamilton, but he's not Taki Inoue either. He won three junior single-seater titles and has an F1 podium. He's not the worst driver ever in F1. He's not even the worst driver in F1 this season. Put him in a current Mercedes and he'd be regularly on the podium.
I haven't said he's inept at all. He's average in my view, and seems to still find improvements too.I was responding to a suggestion that his place is safe forever more because of his dad. There could come a time when his Dad has to make a decision if driver choice is critical to secure a title for them AM brand. That's possible.
All this slating of Lance Stroll... Sure, he isn't likely to be WC material, but he bagged a podium early in his career, following a tough first few races trying visibly overdriving the car. So he has already achieved more than Hulkenburg. He doesn't look out of place battling in the midfield and these days tends to reliably bring the car home, usually within a couple of places of his teammate.
Perez on the other had has been around quite a while. He had his shot in a top(ish) team with McLaren but didn't cut the mustard for whatever reason and is no longer considered top team material. He's clearly a quick driver, but tends to be a bit erratic - a fine example last weekend when he really should have been able to pass Albon, but didn't we all just know it was going to be a clumsy attempt and a great result thrown away. Indeed, if Lance had been a bit more naturally opportunistic (like Lando was for example), then he would have pipped his teammate on the line.
Despite all the faults of Vettel (and there have been many in recent seasons), he's a quicker driver than either of them and generally has better racecraft. I doubt the rash moves he's pulled trying to match Hamilton would be likely if he's only battling for high points finishes and I think if he could begin to enjoy his racing more with a bit less pressure, then his form may well return too.
Vettel to Aston Martin would be a good move, for publicity, as a signal of intent and for their immediate racing results. Whether they keep Perez or Stroll really won't make a huge difference. I would suggest being paired with Stroll would likely yield better results from the off with Vettel. Perez would be more likely to try to assert his position within the team as he tried (and failed) with Button at McLaren.
Perez on the other had has been around quite a while. He had his shot in a top(ish) team with McLaren but didn't cut the mustard for whatever reason and is no longer considered top team material. He's clearly a quick driver, but tends to be a bit erratic - a fine example last weekend when he really should have been able to pass Albon, but didn't we all just know it was going to be a clumsy attempt and a great result thrown away. Indeed, if Lance had been a bit more naturally opportunistic (like Lando was for example), then he would have pipped his teammate on the line.
Despite all the faults of Vettel (and there have been many in recent seasons), he's a quicker driver than either of them and generally has better racecraft. I doubt the rash moves he's pulled trying to match Hamilton would be likely if he's only battling for high points finishes and I think if he could begin to enjoy his racing more with a bit less pressure, then his form may well return too.
Vettel to Aston Martin would be a good move, for publicity, as a signal of intent and for their immediate racing results. Whether they keep Perez or Stroll really won't make a huge difference. I would suggest being paired with Stroll would likely yield better results from the off with Vettel. Perez would be more likely to try to assert his position within the team as he tried (and failed) with Button at McLaren.
kiseca said:
REALIST123 said:
Fundoreen said:
Vettel to tracing point and every pundit is saying perez will be the one moves as the other driver is the bosses son.
Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
If Stroll snr was in this for F1 and not to indulge his son, he’d have dumped him a long time ago. Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
The biggest thing against Vettel going to RP is that the son will be made to look even worse.
I wonder if there's any other reason why Perez would say nice things about Stroll? 
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