Sebastian Vettel
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TheDeuce said:
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Indeed. I posted something on another thread earlier postulating whether or not Dad Stroll would make such a call.
Waiting with baited breath..
I read it the other way round.Waiting with baited breath..
Funny.
He will probably be the last person to find out what is happening.
mike-v2tmf said:
I'm still convinced it'l be Perez out .........but just in case, red or brown sauce on ladies underwear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsmAlN-HVoLance's response when asked what Vettel would bring to the Aston Martin project "I don't know, That is a question for management not really for me" in full Kevin the teenager mode.
Fortitude said:
jsf said:
What's his handicap?
Check them at Coral, if you have to...https://news.coral.co.uk/other/f1/who-are-the-top-...
Fortitude said:
Four-time Formula 1 champion may be in line to replace Sergio Garcia.
Red Bull won't take Vettel. Max is the golden child and anything that upsets the applecart isn't going to be tolerated. Hence way it's so hard for RBs second drivers; they have to be quick enough to come right behind Max but not quick enough to challenge him.
Vettel and Max in the same team would need a doubling of the spare parts budget.
Vettel and Max in the same team would need a doubling of the spare parts budget.
Octavarium said:
Well I hope Seb will drive his Aston Martin somewhat better than he's currently driving his Ferrari.
There's a multitude of things going wrong at Maranello currently. The car's terrible (and will be next year also, especially if next year's 'all new' ICE isn't a revolution), Seb's over-driving to compensate for the lack of raw pace, and the team only has eyes for their new wonder-kid. They might have looked like they were being cut throat in declaring his services were 'no longer required', but they probably did him a favour; he checked out the moment they decided to phase him out, and he's probably thankful to be leaving. The fact that he's still pushing the equipment he has to the mechanical limit (and beyond) shows he still has the fire in his belly, which is reassuring.A more relaxed atmosphere, and a car that doesn't want to fight back so erratically and randomly, should see him back in the zone - it was much the same in 2014, he couldn't get on with the car where Danny Ric could, and it made him look average at best. When he's comfortable in a car, he's still box office. He's not an Alonso that can get a decent result from a bad car, but he's not the washed up has been some portray him as.
With the budget cap bringing the big hitters in line with the mid-pack from next year at least in spend terms, there's a good opportunity for the team and him I expect.
WickerBill said:
Hes a 4 time champion, he shouldnt need a relaxed atmosphere to perform properly in.
Perhaps, but at Ferrari it's a pressure cooker, and the moment Leclerc was signed, it was the acknowledgement that he was no longer supported by the team, from that moment it was an uphill struggle to be respected by the management. He made unforced errors for 2 years when paired with Kimi who was an obedient #2, and then had his cage rattled by the new upstart. The unspoken truth is that the heavy hitter teams with title contending drivers, can only function efficiently when there's a defined pecking order. When team mates squabble on track, it does neither them nor the team any good. It's partly why Mercedes and Hamilton have a fairly easy time of it - Bottas isn't of Hamilton's calibre, and on the days when he is, it's with reluctance that they allow them to race.
Given how last season's ill gotten gains by Ferrari have come back to bite them, he's probably happy to be leaving what's become a very toxic, political place. The pressure placed on Ferrari drivers is unlike any other team. Regardless of how terrible the car is, their drivers are expected to pull results out of them.
Octavarium said:
TheDeuce said:
Not that varied.. they were cheating by flowing more fuel than was allowed last season - hence their speed. They got found out and then it all got a bit complicated.... The upshot is this season they can't cheat, and without the cheat it turns out there power unit is a piece of s
t. They tried to compensate with aero tweaking but that's also st.
Hence, they're totally uncompetive.
That's it in a nutshell
Thank you t. They tried to compensate with aero tweaking but that's also st.Hence, they're totally uncompetive.
That's it in a nutshell
another 3 points said:
But will Daddy allow him to beat his boy? I’m sure Seb will comfortably beat Stroller which isn’t quite the way the family want to see the season unfolding. And a big name driver coming in behind Daddy’s boy every other weekend ain’t what motivates Seb.
Should have kept Perez, hired Hulk and made Stroll reserve driver. But sadly heat is ruling head.
Daddy’s not stopped anyone else beating his boy. Your other idea has merit but with Vettel and Hulk. Should have kept Perez, hired Hulk and made Stroll reserve driver. But sadly heat is ruling head.
TheDeuce said:
Whilst the AMG project one suffers engine issues. Meanwhile the bloke that knows what matters kicks out the McLaren T50 which is half as on paper impressive but about a million times more desirable for anyone that loves motorsport imo
I don't think Gordon would appreciate you calling it a McLaren.kiseca said:
Adrian has a history of producing difficult handling cars with very narrow operating aerodynamic windows, that need at least some work to come right. He describes at least two or three such instances himself in his book that I remember... Definitely at least one of his Leyton Houses, I'm pretty sure there was a tricky McLaren, and certainly at least one of his Red Bulls was difficult to drive. Typically some or other part of the aero package would be stalling and it would take him a while to figure out what it was, why it was stalling and then how to stop it.
The Williams Senna died in was a nasty handling car, it took a long time to sort it out.WickerBill said:
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Whilst the AMG project one suffers engine issues. Meanwhile the bloke that knows what matters kicks out the McLaren T50 which is half as on paper impressive but about a million times more desirable for anyone that loves motorsport imo
I don't think Gordon would appreciate you calling it a McLaren.WickerBill said:
kiseca said:
jsf said:
The Williams Senna died in was a nasty handling car, it took a long time to sort it out.
Yeah. I'm amazed I could forget that one.It followed on from the active program, so they no doubt had to learn how to optimise aero with a movable platform again.
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