Sebastian Vettel
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Nigel_O said:
You answered your own question
Regardless - I don't agree with it though. Lewis' drive was exceptional, especially when taken into context with the car's performance on Friday and Saturday. However, for me, driver of the day was Checo - under huge pressure for much of the race, but managed to fend it off - performance WAY above the expectation
I agree that Lewis's drive, after all his misgivings about the circuit during practice and after a difficult qualifying when he was nowhere compared to his normal expectations, and he got his head down and still pulled a win out of it. Seb deeply impressive too though he did have a big advantage to Le Clerc that he lost over the race, before having balance restored in the last lap by another Charles mistake.vulture1 said:
Really how?
and you then went on to sayvulture1 said:
Drive who has been off colour all season also in a car that is at best the 4th fastest overall, He has a reputation now for spinning and in the worst conditions for years he doesn't make a single mistake.
So - a driver having a previously piss-poor year pulls out his personal drive of the year in the most challenging conditions of the year - that's why he was voted driver of the day (clue is in the title - it's driver of the day, not driver of the year...)Regardless - I don't agree with it though. Lewis' drive was exceptional, especially when taken into context with the car's performance on Friday and Saturday. However, for me, driver of the day was Checo - under huge pressure for much of the race, but managed to fend it off - performance WAY above the expectation
Perez looked outclassed by Stroll for the first part of the race until either something happened that made Stroll lose pace (he looked comfortably in control) or Stroll himself just lost his composure or burnt his tyres out or whatever and went backwards.
So Seb and Perez impressed me for their measured approach and lack of mistakes on a circuit that punished more than most, but neither impressed me as much as Lewis. He was my driver of the day because he looked like he had no chance after qualifying and yet still turned it into a win.
He was, for me, the only driver of the day who showed no weaknesses, the only one who never looked vulnerable to anyone else on the circuit, and yet before the race started, he looked more vulnerable than anyone else compared to his usual expectations. Of all days, until the lights when out, this looked like the one for a whole bunch of drivers (not just Bottas) to beat Lewis. But he won again!
Edited by kiseca on Monday 16th November 19:01
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Stroll ended up with two stops and couldn't get the front to work after the first. I think some damage was claimed.
Yep. He had a comfortable 10 second gap from Perez until, well I guess it wasn't halfway but at least a third way into the race and some time after the first stop, and then all of a sudden... well at least it was sudden on the Channel 4 highlights.... Perez and Hamilton were both right on Stroll's tail. Then he pitted and just went backwards after that.I couldn't work out what had happened. To me he looked like he had the race sewn up, and was far enough into it that the hard part was over and he could cruise to his first win. But looking at how Hamilton did after that, I think even without his loss in pace he wouldn't have beaten Lewis in the end.
glazbagun said:
I wonder what Seb's walking into.
I guess it must be a bit weird when your well-performing veteran colleague is being replaced so the bosses son can keep his job. Especially given Perez' history with Force India. If he's that well protected I wonder what he's like to work with.
with any luck a group of engineers that are highly motivated to show how good they>SV >AM can be when not having to molly coddle daddys kid.I guess it must be a bit weird when your well-performing veteran colleague is being replaced so the bosses son can keep his job. Especially given Perez' history with Force India. If he's that well protected I wonder what he's like to work with.
up until the pressure came on and the radio Tizz you really had to hand it to Stroll for doing a bloody good job, after wards yes you could feel sorry for him but it was like he just got in to a tail spin and couldn't recover/reset.
Hazmat1 said:
with any luck a group of engineers that are highly motivated to show how good they>SV >AM can be when not having to molly coddle daddys kid.
up until the pressure came on and the radio Tizz you really had to hand it to Stroll for doing a bloody good job, after wards yes you could feel sorry for him but it was like he just got in to a tail spin and couldn't recover/reset.
Yeah, it must take some mind management to keep your cool when you're full of adrenaline and some great unfairness befalls you.up until the pressure came on and the radio Tizz you really had to hand it to Stroll for doing a bloody good job, after wards yes you could feel sorry for him but it was like he just got in to a tail spin and couldn't recover/reset.
Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.
Pizzaeatingking said:
I noticed the race engineer replying, it sounded like he was dealing with a child who wouldn't do as he was told. Whether or not that's because he acts like one or not I don't know but I was surprised at the way the engineer replied!
I'd agree though, if he'd have been left out then I think he'd have got a podium.
I think that's just the guy's natural tone of voice, he always sounds like that. I'd agree though, if he'd have been left out then I think he'd have got a podium.
Who knows if Stroll would've brought his tyres back to life but when he came in he was struggling and losing around a second a lap to Perez. It was still difficult to overtake but I don't think he would have held on to a podium - I think he would have dropped behind both Ferraris and possibly Sainz too.
MG CHRIS said:
Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.
He is (or was) absolutely no mug in the wet. Remember Fuji 07 when he crashed into Webber behind the safety car while in 3rd or 4th.
Remember his first Red Bull win in a Chinese monsoon in 09.
Remember it was him overtaking Hamilton who nearly cost him the championship in Brazil 08.
Remember his recovery drive in Brazil 12.
Mr_Thyroid said:
MG CHRIS said:
Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.
He is (or was) absolutely no mug in the wet. Remember Fuji 07 when he crashed into Webber behind the safety car while in 3rd or 4th.
Remember his first Red Bull win in a Chinese monsoon in 09.
Remember it was him overtaking Hamilton who nearly cost him the championship in Brazil 08.
Remember his recovery drive in Brazil 12.
(I'm being mischievous - he is actually OK in the wet normally)
Muzzer79 said:
Didn't do too great in German GP in 2018 though......
(I'm being mischievous - he is actually OK in the wet normally)
Cruel!!(I'm being mischievous - he is actually OK in the wet normally)
He was driving beautifully in that race up to that point. I suspect that is partly why it hurt so much. That and being on home soil. But he was definitely not the only one with egg on face that day!
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
I found it a bit weird that his engineer didn't congratulate him at all over the radio after getting pole yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke8eR4d9dkU
That does come across a bit weird doesn't it?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke8eR4d9dkU
Mr_Thyroid said:
Pizzaeatingking said:
I noticed the race engineer replying, it sounded like he was dealing with a child who wouldn't do as he was told. Whether or not that's because he acts like one or not I don't know but I was surprised at the way the engineer replied!
I'd agree though, if he'd have been left out then I think he'd have got a podium.
I think that's just the guy's natural tone of voice, he always sounds like that. I'd agree though, if he'd have been left out then I think he'd have got a podium.
Gad-Westy said:
Cruel!!
He was driving beautifully in that race up to that point. I suspect that is partly why it hurt so much. That and being on home soil. But he was definitely not the only one with egg on face that day!
I thought that had a certain irony - SV won at Silverstone, but LH won in Germany. He was driving beautifully in that race up to that point. I suspect that is partly why it hurt so much. That and being on home soil. But he was definitely not the only one with egg on face that day!
MG CHRIS said:
Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.
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