Sebastian Vettel

Sebastian Vettel

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Hugo Stiglitz

37,192 posts

212 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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I really liked Vetted crouching down to speak to Lewis in parc ferme. A real class move/act.

kiseca

9,339 posts

220 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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Nigel_O said:
You answered your own question

vulture1 said:
Really how?
and you then went on to say

vulture1 said:
Drive who has been off colour all season also in a car that is at best the 4th fastest overall, He has a reputation now for spinning and in the worst conditions for years he doesn't make a single mistake.
So - a driver having a previously piss-poor year pulls out his personal drive of the year in the most challenging conditions of the year - that's why he was voted driver of the day (clue is in the title - it's driver of the day, not driver of the year...)

Regardless - I don't agree with it though. Lewis' drive was exceptional, especially when taken into context with the car's performance on Friday and Saturday. However, for me, driver of the day was Checo - under huge pressure for much of the race, but managed to fend it off - performance WAY above the expectation
I agree that Lewis's drive, after all his misgivings about the circuit during practice and after a difficult qualifying when he was nowhere compared to his normal expectations, and he got his head down and still pulled a win out of it. Seb deeply impressive too though he did have a big advantage to Le Clerc that he lost over the race, before having balance restored in the last lap by another Charles mistake.

Perez looked outclassed by Stroll for the first part of the race until either something happened that made Stroll lose pace (he looked comfortably in control) or Stroll himself just lost his composure or burnt his tyres out or whatever and went backwards.

So Seb and Perez impressed me for their measured approach and lack of mistakes on a circuit that punished more than most, but neither impressed me as much as Lewis. He was my driver of the day because he looked like he had no chance after qualifying and yet still turned it into a win.

He was, for me, the only driver of the day who showed no weaknesses, the only one who never looked vulnerable to anyone else on the circuit, and yet before the race started, he looked more vulnerable than anyone else compared to his usual expectations. Of all days, until the lights when out, this looked like the one for a whole bunch of drivers (not just Bottas) to beat Lewis. But he won again!


Edited by kiseca on Monday 16th November 19:01

anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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Stroll ended up with two stops and couldn't get the front to work after the first. I think some damage was claimed.

Gazzab

21,111 posts

283 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Stroll ended up with two stops and couldn't get the front to work after the first. I think some damage was claimed.
He lost his pace before the tyre change didn’t he ?

kiseca

9,339 posts

220 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Stroll ended up with two stops and couldn't get the front to work after the first. I think some damage was claimed.
Yep. He had a comfortable 10 second gap from Perez until, well I guess it wasn't halfway but at least a third way into the race and some time after the first stop, and then all of a sudden... well at least it was sudden on the Channel 4 highlights.... Perez and Hamilton were both right on Stroll's tail. Then he pitted and just went backwards after that.

I couldn't work out what had happened. To me he looked like he had the race sewn up, and was far enough into it that the hard part was over and he could cruise to his first win. But looking at how Hamilton did after that, I think even without his loss in pace he wouldn't have beaten Lewis in the end.

Hazmat1

233 posts

99 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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glazbagun said:
I wonder what Seb's walking into.

I guess it must be a bit weird when your well-performing veteran colleague is being replaced so the bosses son can keep his job. Especially given Perez' history with Force India. If he's that well protected I wonder what he's like to work with.
with any luck a group of engineers that are highly motivated to show how good they>SV >AM can be when not having to molly coddle daddys kid.

up until the pressure came on and the radio Tizz you really had to hand it to Stroll for doing a bloody good job, after wards yes you could feel sorry for him but it was like he just got in to a tail spin and couldn't recover/reset.

kiseca

9,339 posts

220 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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I think there's a lot of assumption that Stroll's engineer was justifiably pissed off by something to do with one of the Strolls. That sounds possible, but it's also possible that the engineer's just a bit of a dick and doesn't like being questioned.

glazbagun

14,283 posts

198 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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Hazmat1 said:
with any luck a group of engineers that are highly motivated to show how good they>SV >AM can be when not having to molly coddle daddys kid.

up until the pressure came on and the radio Tizz you really had to hand it to Stroll for doing a bloody good job, after wards yes you could feel sorry for him but it was like he just got in to a tail spin and couldn't recover/reset.
Yeah, it must take some mind management to keep your cool when you're full of adrenaline and some great unfairness befalls you.

MG CHRIS

9,086 posts

168 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

228 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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Pizzaeatingking said:
I noticed the race engineer replying, it sounded like he was dealing with a child who wouldn't do as he was told. Whether or not that's because he acts like one or not I don't know but I was surprised at the way the engineer replied!

I'd agree though, if he'd have been left out then I think he'd have got a podium.
I think that's just the guy's natural tone of voice, he always sounds like that.

Who knows if Stroll would've brought his tyres back to life but when he came in he was struggling and losing around a second a lap to Perez. It was still difficult to overtake but I don't think he would have held on to a podium - I think he would have dropped behind both Ferraris and possibly Sainz too.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

228 months

Monday 16th November 2020
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MG CHRIS said:
Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.
He is (or was) absolutely no mug in the wet.

Remember Fuji 07 when he crashed into Webber behind the safety car while in 3rd or 4th.
Remember his first Red Bull win in a Chinese monsoon in 09.
Remember it was him overtaking Hamilton who nearly cost him the championship in Brazil 08.
Remember his recovery drive in Brazil 12.

Muzzer79

10,072 posts

188 months

Tuesday 17th November 2020
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Mr_Thyroid said:
MG CHRIS said:
Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.
He is (or was) absolutely no mug in the wet.

Remember Fuji 07 when he crashed into Webber behind the safety car while in 3rd or 4th.
Remember his first Red Bull win in a Chinese monsoon in 09.
Remember it was him overtaking Hamilton who nearly cost him the championship in Brazil 08.
Remember his recovery drive in Brazil 12.
Didn't do too great in German GP in 2018 though......



(I'm being mischievous - he is actually OK in the wet normally)

Gad-Westy

14,580 posts

214 months

Tuesday 17th November 2020
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Muzzer79 said:
Didn't do too great in German GP in 2018 though......



(I'm being mischievous - he is actually OK in the wet normally)
Cruel!!

He was driving beautifully in that race up to that point. I suspect that is partly why it hurt so much. That and being on home soil. But he was definitely not the only one with egg on face that day!

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

228 months

Tuesday 17th November 2020
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There was also Canada 2011...until the final lap.

Pizzaeatingking

493 posts

72 months

Saturday 21st November 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
I found it a bit weird that his engineer didn't congratulate him at all over the radio after getting pole yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke8eR4d9dkU
That does come across a bit weird doesn't it?
Mr_Thyroid said:
Pizzaeatingking said:
I noticed the race engineer replying, it sounded like he was dealing with a child who wouldn't do as he was told. Whether or not that's because he acts like one or not I don't know but I was surprised at the way the engineer replied!

I'd agree though, if he'd have been left out then I think he'd have got a podium.
I think that's just the guy's natural tone of voice, he always sounds like that.
You might be right, only just seen that video of the in lap after pole. Funny though, especially at the end telling him to turn the engine off.

Mr Tidy

22,459 posts

128 months

Sunday 22nd November 2020
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Gad-Westy said:
Cruel!!

He was driving beautifully in that race up to that point. I suspect that is partly why it hurt so much. That and being on home soil. But he was definitely not the only one with egg on face that day!
I thought that had a certain irony - SV won at Silverstone, but LH won in Germany. laugh

Byker28i

60,258 posts

218 months

Sunday 22nd November 2020
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MG CHRIS said:
Is there something in that Ferrari and last years that makes it more complaint in the wet for seb too drive it without issues. Germany last year in the mixed conditions he didn't put a foot wrong again today. Or is seb better in the wet than people give credit too he did win his first race in the wet at monza.
All the other cars were much slower, thus coming into the speed range that Ferrari are competitive in?

AmoCS

1,150 posts

220 months

CoolHands

18,710 posts

196 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Vettel is finished, says man in the pub

Smollet

10,638 posts

191 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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CoolHands said:
Vettel is finished, says man in the pub
Probably the same bloke who said Button would never be WDC