Sebastian Vettel

[Durzel]

Seems like he’s stuck in a rut mentally and at that level I could see how that would basically leave you in no man’s land in terms of competitiveness.

It seems inevitable at this point that unless there is a real, tangible reversal of fortune by the end of this season that this will be his last.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Durzel said:

Seems like he’s stuck in a rut mentally and at that level I could see how that would basically leave you in no man’s land in terms of competitiveness.

It seems inevitable at this point that unless there is a real, tangible reversal of fortune by the end of this season that this will be his last.

I doubt it, he might as well wait to see what the rules shake up brings next year.

[Durzel]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Durzel said:

Seems like he’s stuck in a rut mentally and at that level I could see how that would basically leave you in no man’s land in terms of competitiveness.

It seems inevitable at this point that unless there is a real, tangible reversal of fortune by the end of this season that this will be his last.

I doubt it, he might as well wait to see what the rules shake up brings next year.

He’s got a family and I suspect that is his guiding light nowadays. I don’t think F1 is really a sport for family men (or women), given the risks involved and the need to be singularly focused etc.

Unless the 2022 regs are likely to send us back in time to 2009 then realistically he’s going to be in much the same position, I think. It also depends on Aston Martin being the team that leverages then the most, which I’d say is unlikely.

[kiseca]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I say this as a big fan of his but people have questioned his credentials even through his glory years.

This is true. I remember someone once asking if Vettel was overrated, and I thought back to that and thought no, he's not overrated. Hardly anyone seems to rate him.......

[LaurasOtherHalf]

kiseca said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I say this as a big fan of his but people have questioned his credentials even through his glory years.

This is true. I remember someone once asking if Vettel was overrated, and I thought back to that and thought no, he's not overrated. Hardly anyone seems to rate him.......

There were questions being asked even as far back as 2010 about his ability to overtake and the errors he displayed. Then this happened;



As I recall, this was when his reputation for a drive from the front and win type was cemented. You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

[Leithen]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

Or not.

https://youtu.be/U534aUHsWvo

[McGee_22]

Leithen said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

Or not.

https://youtu.be/U534aUHsWvo

Only 2 minutes worth of best overtakes, that's a little embarrassing - I bet his crash reel highlights would be three or four times that in length.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Leithen said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

Or not.

https://youtu.be/U534aUHsWvo

Three (possibly four) of those he goes onto the grass when unnecessary and another two he makes contact with another car.

I rest my case!

As I said, I really like the bloke and he's gone down in history with his success but bloody hell he has his moments in the car-I'm constantly amazed he hasn't had bigger accidents.

[FNG]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

There were questions being asked even as far back as 2010 about his ability to overtake and the errors he displayed. Then this happened;



As I recall, this was when his reputation for a drive from the front and win type was cemented. You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

I'm far from a Vettel fan, and I remember being pissed off at him for that one - but in his defence, that was in the era of RB's very flexible front wings. Take a look from 0.57 and look at how much vertical movement is in the left side of the front wing. I'm not surprised he dropped it when you consider how much and how quickly the front grip was changing. Flipside of course being that if he hadn't looked into a closing gap on the right, he wouldn't then have been jinking quickly to the left and thereby changing the aero load on the wing in the first place...

[LaurasOtherHalf]

FNG said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

There were questions being asked even as far back as 2010 about his ability to overtake and the errors he displayed. Then this happened;



As I recall, this was when his reputation for a drive from the front and win type was cemented. You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

I'm far from a Vettel fan, and I remember being pissed off at him for that one - but in his defence, that was in the era of RB's very flexible front wings. Take a look from 0.57 and look at how much vertical movement is in the left side of the front wing. I'm not surprised he dropped it when you consider how much and how quickly the front grip was changing. Flipside of course being that if he hadn't looked into a closing gap on the right, he wouldn't then have been jinking quickly to the left and thereby changing the aero load on the wing in the first place...

That's what I meant, it's Vettel the flapper as usual. He constantly changes his mind mid-move and more often than not it gets him into trouble.

That and his offensive flick that he does (Perez is guilty of this one too mind you) when actually managing to pass someone that led to his two worst crashes against team mates Leclerc and Webber.

[HustleRussell]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Leithen said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

Or not.

https://youtu.be/U534aUHsWvo

Three (possibly four) of those he goes onto the grass when unnecessary and another two he makes contact with another car.

I rest my case!

As I said, I really like the bloke and he's gone down in history with his success but bloody hell he has his moments in the car-I'm constantly amazed he hasn't had bigger accidents.

I think this post betrays your negative bias towards Vettel. Your negative bias could definitely be rational and justified, but not by that video.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

HustleRussell said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Leithen said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

Or not.

https://youtu.be/U534aUHsWvo

Three (possibly four) of those he goes onto the grass when unnecessary and another two he makes contact with another car.

I rest my case!

As I said, I really like the bloke and he's gone down in history with his success but bloody hell he has his moments in the car-I'm constantly amazed he hasn't had bigger accidents.

I think this post betrays your negative bias towards Vettel. Your negative bias could definitely be rational and justified, but not by that video.

He doesn't venture onto the grass three times when there was no need to and doesn't make contact with two other cars he overtakes?

[kiseca]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

FNG said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

There were questions being asked even as far back as 2010 about his ability to overtake and the errors he displayed. Then this happened;



As I recall, this was when his reputation for a drive from the front and win type was cemented. You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

I'm far from a Vettel fan, and I remember being pissed off at him for that one - but in his defence, that was in the era of RB's very flexible front wings. Take a look from 0.57 and look at how much vertical movement is in the left side of the front wing. I'm not surprised he dropped it when you consider how much and how quickly the front grip was changing. Flipside of course being that if he hadn't looked into a closing gap on the right, he wouldn't then have been jinking quickly to the left and thereby changing the aero load on the wing in the first place...

That's what I meant, it's Vettel the flapper as usual. He constantly changes his mind mid-move and more often than not it gets him into trouble.

That and his offensive flick that he does (Perez is guilty of this one too mind you) when actually managing to pass someone that led to his two worst crashes against team mates Leclerc and Webber.

That's my take on him too. I didn't like him until I started seeing him get more camera time (by which time he was at Ferrari) and started to think he's a likeable chap with a good sense of humour, but in the car he's always had s in his armour. He's (mostly) very fast and I think earned his fair share of his success at Red Bull, but despite there being a few races where he's had to come through the field, he's always looked a bit ragged when racing wheel to wheel, often looks like he's on the brink of a crash. And even when he's done it and charged up through the field, he hardly ever got to the end of his odyssey with a completely intact front wing.

He's always made those odd mistakes and mixed that with speed. Last season and this season, the mistakes seem to have multiplied and the speed has gone. I thought some of it could be down to the Ferrari being difficult to drive, Charles spun it quite a lot too, but I guess we need to see how he gets on with Aston. Two races in, doesn't look promising, but that's a small enough sample for it just to be rotten luck so far. He may still get his eye in and put his car ahead of Stroll. If he can't do that, he's done for. Stroll isn't a terrible driver but he should be easy meat for someone who is a 4 time world champion.

[thegreenhell]

HustleRussell said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Leithen said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

Or not.

https://youtu.be/U534aUHsWvo

Three (possibly four) of those he goes onto the grass when unnecessary and another two he makes contact with another car.

I rest my case!

As I said, I really like the bloke and he's gone down in history with his success but bloody hell he has his moments in the car-I'm constantly amazed he hasn't had bigger accidents.

I think this post betrays your negative bias towards Vettel. Your negative bias could definitely be rational and justified, but not by that video.

How many of those overtakes didn't involve pushing the other car off the track, driving off the track himself, or hitting the other car?

Meanwhile here's a solid five minutes of Vettel spinning off... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L42zsILN9Vs

[MustangGT]

thegreenhell said:

How many of those overtakes didn't involve pushing the other car off the track, driving off the track himself, or hitting the other car?

Meanwhile here's a solid five minutes of Vettel spinning off... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L42zsILN9Vs

At least 90% of those spins were single car, self-inflicted. The spins involving other cars seem to be about 50/50 causation.

[M5-911]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

There were questions being asked even as far back as 2010 about his ability to overtake and the errors he displayed. Then this happened;



As I recall, this was when his reputation for a drive from the front and win type was cemented. You watch it back and it's typical Vettel, he dithers and when he finally does make a decision it's the wrong one and too late.

Was Vettel penalised for entering the pit lane by crossing the white line?

[Leithen]

There's life in the old dog yet.

[ajprice]

Seb seemed happy all weekend, with his hedgehog joke in the pre race conference, paper eyepatch from the team after something with his eye on one of the Thursday runs, the race result and driver of the day. Nice one.

[kiseca]

Yep good result for him this weekend and it was nice to see something of the old Seb back.

Webber and Coulthard seem to think he's something of a Monaco specialist so that may have had some influence but regardless, was nice to see him get a good result.

[Smollet]

That result was the best outcome of the whole weekend imgo