Sebastian Vettel

Sebastian Vettel

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kiseca

9,339 posts

220 months

Tuesday 25th May 2021
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HustleRussell said:
Durzel said:
People are happy with Vettel being middle of the pack. If he was challenging Hamilton there would be plenty of knives, that's for sure.
Vettel beat Hamilton at the weekend, all I see is goodwill towards him?

It’s as though you believe that Hamilton is a universally popular driver. In my opinion he is the most nit picked driver.
I personally think Vettel got more knives when he fell off the rails at Ferrari than when he was challenging Hamilton while at Ferrari, but I could be wrong.

i.e. I think knives aimed at Vettel are Vettel's doing and have no relation to Hamilton. Even Alonso's getting some stick now and he, as a driver, is mostly seen as untouchable. As a team player, that's an entirely different story hehe

For me, the knives really came out for Vettel in 2020 when he could get nowhere near LeClerc. I assume the same happened in 2014 but I guess I wasn't paying so much attention to the PH F1 forums back then.

glazbagun

14,285 posts

198 months

Tuesday 25th May 2021
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In 2014 he had a performance clause, so some wondered if his performance against Ricciardo was motivated by the change at Ferrari (where Alonso leaving was also big news).

Less so against LeClerc.

Schermerhorn

4,343 posts

190 months

Tuesday 25th May 2021
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glazbagun said:
In 2014 he had a performance clause, so some wondered if his performance against Ricciardo was motivated by the change at Ferrari (where Alonso leaving was also big news).

Less so against LeClerc.
Who is to say that Vettel and Charles got the same equipment?

I find it hard to believe that they were both pretty evenly matched in 2019 (the stats arent lopsided for Leclerc) and then Vettel gets completely buried by Charles.

I remember Sky making a big deal last year about Ferrari politics, being persona non-grata with management, lack of updates, being frozen out of meetings etc.


kiseca

9,339 posts

220 months

Wednesday 26th May 2021
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glazbagun said:
In 2014 he had a performance clause, so some wondered if his performance against Ricciardo was motivated by the change at Ferrari (where Alonso leaving was also big news).

Less so against LeClerc.
That's true, he did. I don't think he slowed down on purpose for that though. For one thing, I'd think it would be obvious in the telemetry, either as a bit change in his driving to suddenly be overdriving the car everywhere, or as not trying hard enough on the throttle or braking too early or something. For another thing, I think it would be quite difficult for a racing driver to let himself get beaten for a full season on purpose if they were still motivated to race, and had the ability to be beating their team mate. And thirdly, Ricciardo proved he's quick later on against Verstappen so it's not much of a surprise he gave Vettel a good run.

I think Vettel just didn't get on with the 2020 car at all, it was way too unpredictable for him. Charles also spun a lot, which I still think is a lot down to him but also suggests the car is difficult on the limit. At the same time Ferrari lost interest in Seb and he didn't get the support he needed to get up to pace, once Charles had proved he could match or beat him on pace in 2019.

HustleRussell

24,753 posts

161 months

Wednesday 26th May 2021
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The Alfa Romeo Charles drove in his debut season looked quite tricky. He spun a lot in the first part of the year- then he just sorted it out.

Schermerhorn

4,343 posts

190 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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I hope Vettel has made that mental step and got his confidence back. Certainly looks like it.

2 brilliant races in a row from him.


trackdemon

12,200 posts

262 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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Schermerhorn said:
I hope Vettel has made that mental step and got his confidence back. Certainly looks like it.

2 brilliant races in a row from him.
Yep, fair play. Ferrari obviously wasn't the right environment for him, good to see he's still got it. I doubt we'll see him bag a WC again, but a podium this early in his AM career - cracking. Pleased for Perez too

vaud

50,677 posts

156 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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trackdemon said:
Schermerhorn said:
I hope Vettel has made that mental step and got his confidence back. Certainly looks like it.

2 brilliant races in a row from him.
Yep, fair play. Ferrari obviously wasn't the right environment for him, good to see he's still got it. I doubt we'll see him bag a WC again, but a podium this early in his AM career - cracking. Pleased for Perez too
I can see him being 5th/6th this year.

Stuart70

3,936 posts

184 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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Great to see...

Fire99

9,844 posts

230 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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He did a great job today.. I wasn't a fan in the past but it's great to see.. Top work S.V.

AJB88

12,497 posts

172 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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Really wanted him to win that in the end, good result anyway with Perez winning.

Leithen

10,985 posts

268 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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“How did you get my number?”

Love it. Really pleased for him.

Wotzname

164 posts

195 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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Stuart70 said:
Great to see...
.....indeed.

And, Driver of the Day again:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.driver-...

"Rediscovered his mojo - it would appear "


MG CHRIS

9,087 posts

168 months

Sunday 6th June 2021
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Wonder if he prefers being with a English team less pressure and politics compared too Ferrari. Either way great to see him genuinely happy again.

DanielSan

18,823 posts

168 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
Wonder if he prefers being with a English team less pressure and politics compared too Ferrari. Either way great to see him genuinely happy again.
I'm sure it was mentioned on The Race podcast earlier last week that Vettel didn't have the engineering lineup on his side of the garage he was promised when he signed. That along with some internal politics along the way pretty much nailed the coffin lid shut on his time there a couple of seasons ago.

ColdSyphon

181 posts

158 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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It's really nice to see Seb back being happy and now we're seeing the old, very capable Seb back behind the wheel. Really hope Aston have got on top of sorting the car with the new regs and hoping we'll see Seb regularly fighting at the front of the midfield for points.

Condi

17,283 posts

172 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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DanielSan said:
That along with some internal politics along the way pretty much nailed the coffin lid shut on his time there a couple of seasons ago.
Typical Italian team. Destroyed Vettle, destroyed Alonso, will do the same to Carlos and Charles if they're not careful.

Same thing happens in MotoGP with Ducati. Several riders have fallen out with the factory team due to internal politics.


Both teams are similar in that when things don't go well they blame the drivers and put more pressure on them to make up for machinery which isn't good enough to race at the front. Rather than looking at the kit they're using it's easier to blame the drivers.

Muzzer79

10,106 posts

188 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Fire99 said:
He did a great job today.. I wasn't a fan in the past but it's great to see.. Top work S.V.
+1

Boom78

1,229 posts

49 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Great to see him on the podium, he comes across as a decent guy who has been treated horribly by his old team, media and ‘fans’. Hopefully this is his turn around and finger up at his detractors.

paulguitar

23,656 posts

114 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Boom78 said:
and finger up at his detractors.
Don't mention 'the finger'! yikes