Sebastian Vettel
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Condi said:
DanielSan said:
That along with some internal politics along the way pretty much nailed the coffin lid shut on his time there a couple of seasons ago.
Typical Italian team. Destroyed Vettle, destroyed Alonso, will do the same to Carlos and Charles if they're not careful. Same thing happens in MotoGP with Ducati. Several riders have fallen out with the factory team due to internal politics.
Both teams are similar in that when things don't go well they blame the drivers and put more pressure on them to make up for machinery which isn't good enough to race at the front. Rather than looking at the kit they're using it's easier to blame the drivers.
StevieBee said:
What's frustrating is that they don't learn. Ross Brawn dispensed with the Latin in favour of Anglo Saxon and the result was ten years or so of utter domination. You'd have thought someone would have had the gumption to say 'let's stick with this approach'.
Planets were required to align and some very good people given complete control.Gianni Agnelli
Luca di Montezemolo
Jean Todt
Ross Brawn
Rory Byrne
Michael Schumacher
From the top to the bottom, the usual politics were dispensed with, which gave them the opportunity to lose in the initial years and not have the baby thrown out with the bathwater. It was, in hindsight, the most un-Ferrari period in its history. Enzo Ferrari himself was the worst offender when it came to setting people against each other.
Seb came across well on Top Gear with his love of British comedy and his Basil Fawlty impersonations. He's clearly a very personable chap. For me at least, when Red Bull were winning everything, I always found Christian Horner came across as smug not Seb, and for the british public it was just the finger; perhaps the gesture means more in the UK than in Germany? Anyway, I'm pleased to see him do well, hopefully he can be challenging Verstappen soon.
RichB said:
For me at least, when Red Bull were winning everything, I always found Christian Horner came across as smug not Seb, and for the british public it was just the finger; perhaps the gesture means more in the UK than in Germany?
It's clear to me that he has grown up a lot in the last 8 years and had a necessary serving of humble pie.During his RB days, the constant whining about blue flags, dismissal of lesser teams, arrogance of his relationship with Webber and clear accusation that RB were doing well because they were working whilst other teams "hung their balls out by the pool" was grating to say the least.
But Horner was just as bad and remains in need of a piece of that humble pie. Fat chance though.
HustleRussell said:
Happy to see happy Seb. After Bahrain I feared he was going to continue his run of clumsy mistakes but he is now walking the long path towards vindication.
After barely a day and a half of testing and then the disaster that was quali the race in Bahrain seemed like something everyone in his side of the garage just wanted to be over... Both him and Perez did say at that point give them 5 races to bed in with the car/team and get some proper mileage done and then the real performances would start to appear. So far so good at least, Vettel was arguably driver of the day for Monaco and Baku. garyhun said:
It was only that bloody finger that used to annoy me.
I’ve always liked him as a person (based on interviews and TV appearances) and was chuffed to bits for him yesterday.
I dunno.. he came across as very cocksure back in the day, and because he was always winning all of the time (and not British) it was easy for people to dislike him. He didn't shower himself in glory with some of his antics whenever he did find himself in any kind of competitive jeopardy, the whole "Multi21" being a prime example.I’ve always liked him as a person (based on interviews and TV appearances) and was chuffed to bits for him yesterday.
Durzel said:
garyhun said:
It was only that bloody finger that used to annoy me.
I’ve always liked him as a person (based on interviews and TV appearances) and was chuffed to bits for him yesterday.
I dunno.. he came across as very cocksure back in the day, and because he was always winning all of the time (and not British) it was easy for people to dislike him. He didn't shower himself in glory with some of his antics whenever he did find himself in any kind of competitive jeopardy, the whole "Multi21" being a prime example.I’ve always liked him as a person (based on interviews and TV appearances) and was chuffed to bits for him yesterday.
On the other hand he will also have matured in that time, and with the family and success he's already enjoyed, maybe his focus isn't quite so much on the winning and we now see the relaxed, enjoying himself Vettel rather than the intense, must-win-at-all-costs Vettel that prowled the pitlane in his championship years.
Edited by kiseca on Monday 7th June 17:17
kiseca said:
On the other hand he will also have matured in that time, and with the family and success he's already enjoyed, maybe his focus isn't quite so much on the winning and we now see the relaxed, enjoying himself Vettel rather than the intense, must-win-at-all-costs Vettel that prowled the pitlane in his championship years.
This is it really, same with Verstappen. Absolute arse when he came to the sport having had success in the junior categories and thought he was gods gift to motor racing. Give him a few years to mature and become more relaxed and you see a different side to him. After all the s
t Vettle had with Ferrari its great to see him back on the podium and enjoying the sport and the team around him. Durzel said:
garyhun said:
It was only that bloody finger that used to annoy me.
I’ve always liked him as a person (based on interviews and TV appearances) and was chuffed to bits for him yesterday.
I dunno.. he came across as very cocksure back in the day, and because he was always winning all of the time (and not British) it was easy for people to dislike him. He didn't shower himself in glory with some of his antics whenever he did find himself in any kind of competitive jeopardy, the whole "Multi21" being a prime example.I’ve always liked him as a person (based on interviews and TV appearances) and was chuffed to bits for him yesterday.
t) things vettels ever done in my bookBut yeah the way he celebrated his victories (earnt or gifted) like a 6 year old hyped up on raspberry cordial was always a bit too cringe for me to be a fan. Fair props for yesterday, although I'll need a little more convincing hes "back" than many it seems!
Didn't like him at Red Bull, thought he got worse at Ferrari but when he arrived at Aston I thought give him the benefit of the doubt.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8
Leopards never change their spots.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8
Leopards never change their spots.
Oilchange said:
Didn't like him at Red Bull, thought he got worse at Ferrari but when he arrived at Aston I thought give him the benefit of the doubt.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8
Leopards never change their spots.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8
Leopards never change their spots.
Oilchange said:
Didn't like him at Red Bull, thought he got worse at Ferrari but when he arrived at Aston I thought give him the benefit of the doubt.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8
Leopards never change their spots.
Can't disagree with that - in fact I can think of far worse on track moments from Seb..Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8
Leopards never change their spots.
Oddly, as a personality I find him increasingly likeable. Occasionally even his childish tantrums and gittishness amuse me too. It's quite hilarious when something was absolutely 100% his fault, yet he blames someone else
I never thought he was really a top driver, I know he's not really an ideal sportsman in many respects, but he's somehow grown to be part of the furniture in F1 and is one of the few, if he was just a normal chap, I'd actually want to have a beer with.
Durzel said:
I dunno.. he came across as very cocksure back in the day, and because he was always winning all of the time <clip.
I remember when he won his 4th WDC, doing doughnuts: on the radio he said, "Make the most of this guys because days like do not go on forever." Quite prophetic I thought for a driver, pumped up on adrenalin, who'd just won the driver's championship. 
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