Sebastian Vettel
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I think that the outcome is quite humiliating and damaging for Vettel, specifically as he has been required to admit fault. In the end I don't think that the sincerity (or otherwise) of the attached apology matters. Vettel has acknowledged publicly that he transgressed the rules and spirit of the sport by trying to cheat. For drivers of his level/status it's not just about winning this years championship - he will know that the bad odour of this will stick permanently. An off-track victory for Hamilton in effect.
Edited by WindyCommon on Tuesday 4th July 08:57
It's just a sport.
SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
Derek Smith said:
It's just a sport.
SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
vettel is now the new roseberg SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
he will be booed a lot ...and will lose his s
t even more makes a good season
housen said:
Derek Smith said:
It's just a sport.
SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
vettel is now the new roseberg SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
he will be booed a lot ...and will lose his s
t even more makes a good season
spunkytherabbit said:
Very well put. One of the biggest criticisms of the way Mad Max used to handle things was the way he would interfere with stewards decisions, send out his goon squad and mess with the results post race. Todt has effectively kept the power in the hands of the stewards at the track on the day and bringing sensibilities into it, this has to be the best thing to do. I know, I know... internet forum, sensibilities have no place.
Once again this brings into stark reality both the issues with a decision stewards have, as well as the difficulties they have when having to make them in the wider context. Mark Blundell's comments on all this are a very good insight into the role.
For the record I wanted Vettel tarred and feathered.
I sort of agree. The power should be in the hands of the stewards. However, I really believe that in this case, they bottled it. Had ANY other driver done what Vettel did, I believe they'd have been black flagged. Because it was Vettel, and they were scared of being accused of interfering with the championship, they made a bad decision.Once again this brings into stark reality both the issues with a decision stewards have, as well as the difficulties they have when having to make them in the wider context. Mark Blundell's comments on all this are a very good insight into the role.
For the record I wanted Vettel tarred and feathered.
housen said:
Derek Smith said:
It's just a sport.
SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
vettel is now the new roseberg SV has had to apologise. I would assume that the purpose of this is not to suggest he's hanged his mind or that he's contrite, but to show who's boss. The FIA have told him what to do and he knows that he has to do it or else.
From a purely selfish point of view, it has left the WDC in an exciting situation. Merc would appear to have overcome their early season slight inferiority to Ferrari so one should expect, mistakes by mechanics aside, that LH will start to claw back some ground. I want an interesting season. I think this is the best chance of it.
LV has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot. How he moves on from this will be interesting.
On top of that, we have an RB win, and a third place for a lad who seemed overjoyed at his podium.
More to the point: what's going to happen next?
he will be booed a lot ...and will lose his s
t even more makes a good season
Cold said:
37chevy said:
Bad president set by the FIA
Who, Jean Todt? He's an ok FIA president, perhaps a little quiet sometimes. This was the right decision. The low speed front wheel clash didn't harm or interfere with Hamilton or his car in any way. Vettle has been told off, he's been punished, he's now doing community service too and he's on a Last Chance Saloon behaviour bond. No need for any further sanctions.
Championships shouldn't be decided in a boardroom.
If a driver were to deliberately run his WDC rival off the track, should he go unpunished to keep the championship alive?
Sniff Petrol
"We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
"We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
Cold said:
Sniff Petrol
"We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
Beaten to it. Someone at Sniff Petrol is definitely on here..."We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
Cold said:
Sniff Petrol
"We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
Post of the month "We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
It's a really poor decision and sends out a totally wrong message.
He was told after Mexico that was a final warning and yet here we are again with.....another final warning.
The time for leniency or the penalty he already got, is after a racing incident that went badly, maybe an ill conceived overtake when there wasn't room on the track. That's the sort of thing where fans generally don't like to see an after the race penalty being subsequently added.
In football terms, this is not like a player avoiding a red card for a poorly timed tackle, it's the same as the player punching an opponent and should be a straight forward race ban.
Ultimately he has continued to act badly and yet has been rewarded with a bigger lead in the championship.
I honestly think that only Ferrari would have been treated so leniently and as for saying sorry......really!
He was told after Mexico that was a final warning and yet here we are again with.....another final warning.
The time for leniency or the penalty he already got, is after a racing incident that went badly, maybe an ill conceived overtake when there wasn't room on the track. That's the sort of thing where fans generally don't like to see an after the race penalty being subsequently added.
In football terms, this is not like a player avoiding a red card for a poorly timed tackle, it's the same as the player punching an opponent and should be a straight forward race ban.
Ultimately he has continued to act badly and yet has been rewarded with a bigger lead in the championship.
I honestly think that only Ferrari would have been treated so leniently and as for saying sorry......really!
DanielSan said:
Cold said:
Sniff Petrol
"We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
Beaten to it. Someone at Sniff Petrol is definitely on here..."We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores."
Gets my vote.
Not totally surprising TBH. I became heavily interested in F1 in the early 90's, attended Silverstone several times. My interested has waned recently, and this year I have yet to watch a live race. Usually watched on catch up using the FF button.
Then this.
Seb is a tt and deserves his race points stripped and at least a one race ban.
FIA? Pussies, the lot of them
Then this.
Seb is a t
t and deserves his race points stripped and at least a one race ban.FIA? Pussies, the lot of them
Well he has.....the points gap has increased.
Yes it could have been worse, but being a cynical old git, I can help but think that the stewards at the time chose the penalty and thought it was make a fairly big impact on the race, with Hamilton coasting at the time and Vettel then finishing in 5th or 6th place, which would probably have been a fair outcome.
Ultimately it didn't work out that way, so I assumed the recent meeting was to rectify that and effectively reduce his points or issue a race ban.
Whichever way you cut it, his championship campaign (at least in relationship to Hamilton) is better and not worse off.
Yes it could have been worse, but being a cynical old git, I can help but think that the stewards at the time chose the penalty and thought it was make a fairly big impact on the race, with Hamilton coasting at the time and Vettel then finishing in 5th or 6th place, which would probably have been a fair outcome.
Ultimately it didn't work out that way, so I assumed the recent meeting was to rectify that and effectively reduce his points or issue a race ban.
Whichever way you cut it, his championship campaign (at least in relationship to Hamilton) is better and not worse off.
RobGT81 said:
Because Mercedes didn't bother fitting Hamiltons headrest properly, not because of Vettels penalty.
I except that, but that was my point....I can't help think that the penalty at the time reflected Hamitons position and was designed to penalise Vettel.A bit like playing the advantage in football....sometimes you have to take the play back when the there is no longer an advantage.
Personally I've got nothing against Vettel. He can be a dick at times, but so can Hamilton, but ultimately on this occasion (and others) he has gone beyond acceptable behaviour and yet still has come out the weekend marginally better of than before the race started
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