Sebastian Vettel

[Gad-Westy]

RichB said:

That's completely lost on me. Is it funny or a put down? Does it refer to something on social meeja?

Simply that there seemed to be far more media excitement in Seb finishing second than Perez's win.

[RichB]

ah ha..

[rscott]

From Lando's Instagram story today...

[Schermerhorn]

Oilchange said:

Didn't like him at Red Bull, thought he got worse at Ferrari but when he arrived at Aston I thought give him the benefit of the doubt.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8

Leopards never change their spots.

Yesterday must have been painful for you.

[snotrag]

Teddy Lop said:

Never known why race fans bang on about multi 21, it's one of the most top echelon race car driver (ruthless little st) things vettels ever done in my book

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

[kiseca]

snotrag said:

Teddy Lop said:

Never known why race fans bang on about multi 21, it's one of the most top echelon race car driver (ruthless little st) things vettels ever done in my book

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Prost wouldn't have done it, but he was a victim of it twice. And Hamilton was the guy who when he did do it, he asked permission first, and then gave the place back to his team mate when he was unable to overtake the next car up before the flag.

[Muzzer79]

snotrag said:

Teddy Lop said:

Never known why race fans bang on about multi 21, it's one of the most top echelon race car driver (ruthless little st) things vettels ever done in my book

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Schumacher would have done it to anyone - he didn't give a F....

Prost would have done it if it was Senna in the other car, as revenge

Hamilton may have done it if it was a 2014-2016 Rosberg in the other car, as revenge.

Does that make Vettel 'justified' in doing it? He later said that it was in revenge for what he thought was Webber stitching him up in the title decider in Brazil the previous year.

Not sure. To me it was a statement of "I can do what I like and you can do nothing about it" rather than payback.

[paulguitar]

snotrag said:

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Hamilton would certainly not have done that, I doubt Prost would have either. Schumacher definitely would have.

[Teddy Lop]

kiseca said:

snotrag said:

Teddy Lop said:

Never known why race fans bang on about multi 21, it's one of the most top echelon race car driver (ruthless little st) things vettels ever done in my book

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Prost wouldn't have done it, but he was a victim of it twice. And Hamilton was the guy who when he did do it, he asked permission first, and then gave the place back to his team mate when he was unable to overtake the next car up before the flag.

It's the mentality so much as one specific act. You could probably liken it to Hamilton/Alonso Hungary 2007 qualifying (that's Hamilton stealing Alonso's lap rather than Alonso's rather infantile response)

[MadCaptainJack]

paulguitar said:

Hamilton would certainly not have done that

Sure he would. Remember the first corner of the 2015 US grand prix?

[Oilchange]

Schermerhorn said:

Oilchange said:

Didn't like him at Red Bull, thought he got worse at Ferrari but when he arrived at Aston I thought give him the benefit of the doubt.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8

Leopards never change their spots.

Yesterday must have been painful for you.

I was crying into my cornflakes this morning! Well not really. I just don’t like him, he puts on a likeable front to mask the piece of work underneath.
And to be honest he only got 2nd place because of Pirelli, not because he did something incredible with an average car.

[Siao]

Teddy Lop said:

kiseca said:

snotrag said:

Teddy Lop said:

Never known why race fans bang on about multi 21, it's one of the most top echelon race car driver (ruthless little st) things vettels ever done in my book

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Prost wouldn't have done it, but he was a victim of it twice. And Hamilton was the guy who when he did do it, he asked permission first, and then gave the place back to his team mate when he was unable to overtake the next car up before the flag.

It's the mentality so much as one specific act. You could probably liken it to Hamilton/Alonso Hungary 2007 qualifying (that's Hamilton stealing Alonso's lap rather than Alonso's rather infantile response)

It's not the mentality at all with this specific example. Webber was shouting "Multi 21", conveniently forgetting that he did the same thing to Vettel in Silverstone 2011, attacking him unsuccessfully; he was actually applauded back then for not holding position behind Vettel and defying the team orders. Then the turns tabled and in 2013 he was crying wolf. It was pathetic from Webber's side.

It was also a bit of revenge for Brazil 2012, the race that Webber pushed Vettel to the wall and almost lost the WDC...

So, while Vettel is not a saint, the "Multi 21" was just not just Vettel being an idiot.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Siao said:

Teddy Lop said:

kiseca said:

snotrag said:

Teddy Lop said:

Never known why race fans bang on about multi 21, it's one of the most top echelon race car driver (ruthless little st) things vettels ever done in my book

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Prost wouldn't have done it, but he was a victim of it twice. And Hamilton was the guy who when he did do it, he asked permission first, and then gave the place back to his team mate when he was unable to overtake the next car up before the flag.

It's the mentality so much as one specific act. You could probably liken it to Hamilton/Alonso Hungary 2007 qualifying (that's Hamilton stealing Alonso's lap rather than Alonso's rather infantile response)

It's not the mentality at all with this specific example. Webber was shouting "Multi 21", conveniently forgetting that he did the same thing to Vettel in Silverstone 2011, attacking him unsuccessfully; he was actually applauded back then for not holding position behind Vettel and defying the team orders. Then the turns tabled and in 2013 he was crying wolf. It was pathetic from Webber's side.

It was also a bit of revenge for Brazil 2012, the race that Webber pushed Vettel to the wall and almost lost the WDC...

So, while Vettel is not a saint, the "Multi 21" was just not just Vettel being an idiot.

I've heard Horner himself say it was in revenge for Brazil, whether that's just his personal thoughts or if Seb told him I don't now-he sounded pretty confident about it when I asked him and Newey about it.

One thing I would add, Hamilton most definitely would have done the same. The main difference is Hamilton would have had the confidence to come on the radio and explain what he was doing.

He did it against Rosberg in Hungary and Abu Dhabi (defied team orders) and had no qualms about it.

[Muzzer79]

paulguitar said:

snotrag said:

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Hamilton would certainly not have done that, I doubt Prost would have either. Schumacher definitely would have.

Being objective - remember Abu Dhabi 2016.

OK, Hamilton didn't defy team orders not to overtake, but he did defy team orders not to put Rosberg at risk from Vettel.

[Siao]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Siao said:

Teddy Lop said:

kiseca said:

snotrag said:

Teddy Lop said:

Never known why race fans bang on about multi 21, it's one of the most top echelon race car driver (ruthless little st) things vettels ever done in my book

One of these fellows is a 4 times world champion. Its not Mark Webber.

Schumacher would have done it. Prost would have done it. Hamilton would have done it.

Prost wouldn't have done it, but he was a victim of it twice. And Hamilton was the guy who when he did do it, he asked permission first, and then gave the place back to his team mate when he was unable to overtake the next car up before the flag.

It's the mentality so much as one specific act. You could probably liken it to Hamilton/Alonso Hungary 2007 qualifying (that's Hamilton stealing Alonso's lap rather than Alonso's rather infantile response)

It's not the mentality at all with this specific example. Webber was shouting "Multi 21", conveniently forgetting that he did the same thing to Vettel in Silverstone 2011, attacking him unsuccessfully; he was actually applauded back then for not holding position behind Vettel and defying the team orders. Then the turns tabled and in 2013 he was crying wolf. It was pathetic from Webber's side.

It was also a bit of revenge for Brazil 2012, the race that Webber pushed Vettel to the wall and almost lost the WDC...

So, while Vettel is not a saint, the "Multi 21" was just not just Vettel being an idiot.

I've heard Horner himself say it was in revenge for Brazil, whether that's just his personal thoughts or if Seb told him I don't now-he sounded pretty confident about it when I asked him and Newey about it.

One thing I would add, Hamilton most definitely would have done the same. The main difference is Hamilton would have had the confidence to come on the radio and explain what he was doing.

He did it against Rosberg in Hungary and Abu Dhabi (defied team orders) and had no qualms about it.

Many drivers will defy TOs when they are in a battle with their team mate. I think it is reasonable and understandable to a point.

[AJB88]

paulguitar said:

Hamilton would certainly not have done that,

Yawn.

[Schermerhorn]

Oilchange said:

Schermerhorn said:

Oilchange said:

Didn't like him at Red Bull, thought he got worse at Ferrari but when he arrived at Aston I thought give him the benefit of the doubt.
Right up until he drove into the back of Ocon and blamed it on anyone except is own silly arsed self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqnNR3KHkw8

Leopards never change their spots.

Yesterday must have been painful for you.

I was crying into my cornflakes this morning! Well not really. I just don’t like him, he puts on a likeable front to mask the piece of work underneath.
And to be honest he only got 2nd place because of Pirelli, not because he did something incredible with an average car.

Well, keep on crying.

[HustleRussell]

Oilchange said:

to be honest he only got 2nd place because of Pirelli, not because he did something incredible with an average car.

Only Verstappen was scuppered by his Pirelli while running in front of Vettel, so unless you want to entirely re-imagine the events of the race, Vettel was on track for a podium- bettering his own previous best this season of 5th place and beating the incumbent Lance’s best finish of the season so far by five places.

[Oilchange]

Whatever but it was the knock on effect of two tyre failures that gave him a podium

[HustleRussell]

Oilchange said:

Whatever but it was the knock on effect of two tyre failures that gave him a podium

The knock-on effects which, due to the pit lane closure during the SC and the later red flag, affected everybody equally?

It’s fine that you don’t like Vettel but coming 2nd on a grid with 16 finishers in a car which arguably too slow to reach Q3 is an achievement in my sport.