Sebastian Vettel
Discussion
mw88 said:
Ferrari have been their own worst enemy for the last 10 years. I don't think anyone would have been able to get the job done.
Alonso couldn't do it, Vettel couldn't do it and Leclerc is experiencing it this season.
Tbh I don’t recall either Alonso or Vettel committing as many own goals as Leclerc has this season. Alonso couldn't do it, Vettel couldn't do it and Leclerc is experiencing it this season.
I'm not surprised by his decision to be honest, the current Aston Martin is never going to be a front running car.
Like many others have said, he seems like a completely different person the last couple of years and whereas I was never a fan of the "old" Seb, I really do like the "new improved" version.
I look forward to hopefully seeing new Seb at the Goodwood Revival roaring round in something fast and classic!
Like many others have said, he seems like a completely different person the last couple of years and whereas I was never a fan of the "old" Seb, I really do like the "new improved" version.
I look forward to hopefully seeing new Seb at the Goodwood Revival roaring round in something fast and classic!
Dr Interceptor said:
As others have said, as time has gone on he's become more and more likeable as a person...
I wish him well, and hope he finds success in whatever he has a go at pedalling next.
Agree with this - he is funny and intelligent, and will be missed on the grid.I wish him well, and hope he finds success in whatever he has a go at pedalling next.
In recent years he has made a lot of mistakes on track though and since moving to AM isn't really outperforming, so the time is right.
sparta6 said:
vulture1 said:
Is he a great one of the top 5 ? in terms of number of championships yes.
But all at 1 team and 1 era for me no.
Had he won one at Ferrari that he should have and 1 less at redbull like he should have (Alonso or Webber should have won that one)
A 3 and a 1 would cement his legacy more than 4 in a row.
imo of course.
Where Vettel failed at Ferrari, Alonso would have got the job doneBut all at 1 team and 1 era for me no.
Had he won one at Ferrari that he should have and 1 less at redbull like he should have (Alonso or Webber should have won that one)
A 3 and a 1 would cement his legacy more than 4 in a row.
imo of course.
However, Ferrari wouldn't have been in their 2017/18 position with Alonso's character. They needed a fresh leader.
Vettel's an (outwardly) lovely bloke, but one can't help feeling he peaked in 2013, aged just 26....
Muzzer79 said:
His Red Bull years did not paint him in a good light in terms of personality. The finger, a sense of entitlement, Multi-21, not taking the '14 car being poor very well, etc.
However, in the last 5 years or so, he has matured significantly and changed the perception to one of being a thoroughly decent sort.
In many ways, he isn't given the credit he deserves for his success - you don't win over 50 races and 4 titles by accident or luck. People have short memories.
Yes, its incredible how short memories some people have claiming SebHowever, in the last 5 years or so, he has matured significantly and changed the perception to one of being a thoroughly decent sort.
In many ways, he isn't given the credit he deserves for his success - you don't win over 50 races and 4 titles by accident or luck. People have short memories.
Some people have forgotten why he was sacked by Ferrari because Vettel could no longer handle losing his Golden Boy status in Scuderia such disobeying team orders in Russia 2019 and crashing into Leclerc in Brazil 2020. Or how about barging into Hamilton under the SC at Azerbaijan 2017.
Are these acts of maturity of the incredibly decent sort within the past 5 years or incredibly short, selective memories?
Smollet said:
mw88 said:
Ferrari have been their own worst enemy for the last 10 years. I don't think anyone would have been able to get the job done.
Alonso couldn't do it, Vettel couldn't do it and Leclerc is experiencing it this season.
Tbh I don’t recall either Alonso or Vettel committing as many own goals as Leclerc has this season. Alonso couldn't do it, Vettel couldn't do it and Leclerc is experiencing it this season.
entropy said:
Yes, its incredible how short memories some people have claiming Seb
Some people have forgotten why he was sacked by Ferrari because Vettel could no longer handle losing his Golden Boy status in Scuderia such disobeying team orders in Russia 2019 and crashing into Leclerc in Brazil 2020. Or how about barging into Hamilton under the SC at Azerbaijan 2017.
Are these acts of maturity of the incredibly decent sort within the past 5 years or incredibly short, selective memories?
Or multi 21 etc...Fingers became nice and warm when he no longer could be arsed/realised he couldn't win so has been winding down ever since playing Mr nice guy, what was that message he had for Charlie Whiting? Oh yes F**K Off! Shouted over the team radio.Some people have forgotten why he was sacked by Ferrari because Vettel could no longer handle losing his Golden Boy status in Scuderia such disobeying team orders in Russia 2019 and crashing into Leclerc in Brazil 2020. Or how about barging into Hamilton under the SC at Azerbaijan 2017.
Are these acts of maturity of the incredibly decent sort within the past 5 years or incredibly short, selective memories?
Fact remains you don't get into F1 by being a nice guy let alone winning WDCs.
carl_w said:
The wording of "by the end of the 2022 season" is a bit odd and suggests he might leave before the end.
You're reading too much into that I think. Throughout the video his sentence structure and tense is less than perfect - just a trait of it not being his first language.He was difficult to like during his peak in RBR, but he was also a lot younger too (his last championship was 9 years ago).
He's more than acquitted himself in my eyes since then, particularly being so outspoken about various causes. I wouldn't have wished on him to end up in the wilderness in F1, but it has humbled him and made him a more likeable person, so it's probably been for the greater good.
I also feel that generally speaking having children is probably the kiss of death in terms of being an uncompromisingly selfish and fearless driver. You're not thinking about just yourself anymore, you have your partner & kids and your responsibility to them in the back of your mind. You probably don't care as much about the sport either in the context of your children, even if you claim otherwise. At this level even the slightest hesitation means you're not going to win championships, imo, unless you have a car that is miles ahead of the opposition.
He's more than acquitted himself in my eyes since then, particularly being so outspoken about various causes. I wouldn't have wished on him to end up in the wilderness in F1, but it has humbled him and made him a more likeable person, so it's probably been for the greater good.
I also feel that generally speaking having children is probably the kiss of death in terms of being an uncompromisingly selfish and fearless driver. You're not thinking about just yourself anymore, you have your partner & kids and your responsibility to them in the back of your mind. You probably don't care as much about the sport either in the context of your children, even if you claim otherwise. At this level even the slightest hesitation means you're not going to win championships, imo, unless you have a car that is miles ahead of the opposition.
vulture1 said:
Condi said:
Such a shame, maybe to continue as reserve driver or cameo appearances? The Aston Martin project just hasn't delivered the results he was hoping for.
I think the feeling was mutual from AM as well. I reckon he’s going to step away from the driving seat entirely; he seems to have had his sights set on global issues - climate change, equality etc - for the last few years. Reckon he’s going to use his platform/status to try and make improvements in those fields, maybe directly related to Motorsport.
parabolica said:
Yeah sure that’s why they offered him a bumper pay packet to stay with them beyond this year.
I reckon he’s going to step away from the driving seat entirely; he seems to have had his sights set on global issues - climate change, equality etc - for the last few years. Reckon he’s going to use his platform/status to try and make improvements in those fields, maybe directly related to Motorsport.
So not unlike Hamilton then? I reckon he’s going to step away from the driving seat entirely; he seems to have had his sights set on global issues - climate change, equality etc - for the last few years. Reckon he’s going to use his platform/status to try and make improvements in those fields, maybe directly related to Motorsport.
Several years late, but finally he's going. Seems great out the car but only won in a cheaty car, never shone in anything else, crashed into teammates more than he should, and was generally unlikeable when winning.
I don't wish harm on him or anything, but he's been a seat blocker for all of his years at Ferrari and Aston. Fingers crossed the move up someone new and exciting who we'd cheer for if they started to do well.
I don't wish harm on him or anything, but he's been a seat blocker for all of his years at Ferrari and Aston. Fingers crossed the move up someone new and exciting who we'd cheer for if they started to do well.
parabolica said:
vulture1 said:
Condi said:
Such a shame, maybe to continue as reserve driver or cameo appearances? The Aston Martin project just hasn't delivered the results he was hoping for.
I think the feeling was mutual from AM as well. I reckon he’s going to step away from the driving seat entirely; he seems to have had his sights set on global issues - climate change, equality etc - for the last few years. Reckon he’s going to use his platform/status to try and make improvements in those fields, maybe directly related to Motorsport.
6 races per year will give him plenty of time with his family.
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