Sebastian Vettel
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Poppiecock said:
37chevy said:
Poppiecock said:
I see the Lewis Duvet boys are out in force tonight.
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There you go, dragging yet another thread back to Lewis and his fans....
You've just come to the Seb discussion and effectively said 'well, he's just lucky and the team stitched up CLC'. Despite the evidence to the contrary.
But you have to mention duvets and the like... odd stuff.
Vettel did great today. As Chevy noted; he only did what’s expected of a 4x champ and I hope he carries on.
Call me whatever you want, but I'm really pleased Vettel won today.
A year or more ago, I wouldn't have been, but this year he has come across as more approachable, more human than before, and aside from his occasional whingeing (which it must be said Hamilton indulges in), he now seems to have hit an equilibrium of "decent bloke".
If today's result lifts his chin and gets him out of his apparent funk, then good. The drivers' championship (as in the racing, not the bald points thing) can only be better for having another driver getting amongst it.
A year or more ago, I wouldn't have been, but this year he has come across as more approachable, more human than before, and aside from his occasional whingeing (which it must be said Hamilton indulges in), he now seems to have hit an equilibrium of "decent bloke".
If today's result lifts his chin and gets him out of his apparent funk, then good. The drivers' championship (as in the racing, not the bald points thing) can only be better for having another driver getting amongst it.
Europa1 said:
Call me whatever you want, but I'm really pleased Vettel won today.
A year or more ago, I wouldn't have been, but this year he has come across as more approachable, more human than before, and aside from his occasional whingeing (which it must be said Hamilton indulges in), he now seems to have hit an equilibrium of "decent bloke".
If today's result lifts his chin and gets him out of his apparent funk, then good. The drivers' championship (as in the racing, not the bald points thing) can only be better for having another driver getting amongst it.
Completely agree with that. I don’t dislike Vettel, I just think more than 1 day is needed to assert ain whether we’ve got the 2012 vettel or the 2018/2019 Vettel A year or more ago, I wouldn't have been, but this year he has come across as more approachable, more human than before, and aside from his occasional whingeing (which it must be said Hamilton indulges in), he now seems to have hit an equilibrium of "decent bloke".
If today's result lifts his chin and gets him out of his apparent funk, then good. The drivers' championship (as in the racing, not the bald points thing) can only be better for having another driver getting amongst it.
+1
Vettel had a much better day today and I am sure he will be relieved to have got the win.
But still, too many mistakes and he was fortunate.
He messed up his qualifying when it should have been a 1-2 for Ferrari.
Ferrari really should have pitted LeClerc first.
He was lucky that Gasly was so aware when he went for that overtake as in many other cases he would have crashed.
Still not impressed but maybe this win will give him the boost to start driving better.
IMO it will not.
But still, too many mistakes and he was fortunate.
He messed up his qualifying when it should have been a 1-2 for Ferrari.
Ferrari really should have pitted LeClerc first.
He was lucky that Gasly was so aware when he went for that overtake as in many other cases he would have crashed.
Still not impressed but maybe this win will give him the boost to start driving better.
IMO it will not.
ajprice said:
Just watched on C4. For someone who hasn't won a race in a Ferrari for over a year, he wasn't jumping for joy when he got out of the car. That surprised me, I thought a P1 after recent form would have been a big weight off and a big release.
Probably knew, like most of us without blinkers that he was a bit lucky, and his teammate was faster...ajprice said:
37chevy said:
Probably knew, like most of us without blinkers that he was a bit lucky, and his teammate was faster...
Yes and yes, Leclerc did get shafted again. No argument there. But still, he crossed the line first and there was not a hint of a happy reaction.It was the right call for Ferrari, but CLC just didn't do what he needed to do to stay ahead. He will learn from this and may well get it right next time.
Poppiecock said:
But his team-mate wasn't faster where it mattered - on the in and out laps. Especially the out lap. That was experience showing.
It was the right call for Ferrari, but CLC just didn't do what he needed to do to stay ahead. He will learn from this and may well get it right next time.
Rubbish. CLC did exactly what was asked by the team, new tyres were king, it didn’t matter what CLC did, Vettel would have come out ahead given the new tyresIt was the right call for Ferrari, but CLC just didn't do what he needed to do to stay ahead. He will learn from this and may well get it right next time.
37chevy said:
Poppiecock said:
But his team-mate wasn't faster where it mattered - on the in and out laps. Especially the out lap. That was experience showing.
It was the right call for Ferrari, but CLC just didn't do what he needed to do to stay ahead. He will learn from this and may well get it right next time.
Rubbish. CLC did exactly what was asked by the team, new tyres were king, it didn’t matter what CLC did, Vettel would have come out ahead given the new tyresIt was the right call for Ferrari, but CLC just didn't do what he needed to do to stay ahead. He will learn from this and may well get it right next time.
Then Seb put in a stupidly quick out lap, at that point, the race was his. He only needed to be a few tenths slower and CLC would have held the lead.
No matter what you think - Ferrari got a 1-2 instead of a 1-3, but it was Seb's out lap that grabbed the lead for him.
Poppiecock said:
Two things - they saw the opportunity to jump Hamilton, which was absolutely the right thing to do.
Then Seb put in a stupidly quick out lap, at that point, the race was his. He only needed to be a few tenths slower and CLC would have held the lead.
No matter what you think - Ferrari got a 1-2 instead of a 1-3, but it was Seb's out lap that grabbed the lead for him.
Stupidly quick it was not, the rest were managing knackered tyres 5 seconds off the pace. Don’t let facts get in the way of your delusion though. Then Seb put in a stupidly quick out lap, at that point, the race was his. He only needed to be a few tenths slower and CLC would have held the lead.
No matter what you think - Ferrari got a 1-2 instead of a 1-3, but it was Seb's out lap that grabbed the lead for him.
Keep thinking happy thoughts and that Vettel is king
Edited by 37chevy on Sunday 22 September 23:38
Poppiecock said:
Vettel was around 2 seconds quicker than CLC on the in/out laps.
That's experience over youth for you.
No, that’s rejoining in fresh air and rejoining behind your teammate for you! That's experience over youth for you.
Again, don’t let facts get in the way or your jaded views. Hope your Vettel duvet covers are comf
37chevy said:
Poppiecock said:
Vettel was around 2 seconds quicker than CLC on the in/out laps.
That's experience over youth for you.
No, that’s rejoining in fresh air and rejoining behind your teammate for you! That's experience over youth for you.
Again, don’t let facts get in the way or your jaded views. Hope your Vettel duvet covers are comf
FFS, it's quite simple - they needed to get Vettel ahead of Hamilton. What couldn't be predicted was that Vettel would put in 2 really quick laps, significantly quicker than his team-mate, on the in and out laps.
If CLC had matched Vettel's in lap on the same lap, he'd have maintained track position.
And how was CLC meant to match Vettel I’m knackered tyres compared to fresh ones? He couldn’t.
Which ever way you shake it, ferrari strategy lost CLC the race today.
Vettel did his job, but don’t make this out he be a massive victory for him and the end of his troubles...it’s just the start of the end
Anyway, I’m done with debating someone who is utterly blind....so see ya later stevie, I have better things to do.
Which ever way you shake it, ferrari strategy lost CLC the race today.
Vettel did his job, but don’t make this out he be a massive victory for him and the end of his troubles...it’s just the start of the end
Anyway, I’m done with debating someone who is utterly blind....so see ya later stevie, I have better things to do.
37chevy said:
Paul671 said:
Vettel answers the critics then, turns out he's still pretty good.
He really didn’t.One race where he ran 3rd after a mistake in qualifying, lucked into a win on a strategy call. Granted, he had to hold it together, but that’s the least you’d expect from a 4 time champion.
Put together a string of good results where he outperforms his teammate on merit and he’s answered his critics
oyster said:
He doesn’t need to answer critics. His job is an F1 driver, not a critic answerer.
In which case, he needs to stop making mistakes, start beating his inexperienced teammate regularly, do a better job and earn the millions he’s being paid.Edited by 37chevy on Monday 23 September 04:12
It always intrigues me how people will see what they want to see and I'm sure I'm not immune from it either. There is an awful lot of hype around CLC at present, mostly justified but despite that, up until the Italian GP, he had been behind Vettel all season on points. And this is a season where many are saying SV has had an absolute stinker. A career ender in fact.
Talk of CLC getting 'shafted' again yesterday? Total nonsense, Ferrari played their hand beautifully and earned themselves a 1-2. Why would they let CLC pass SV? Nothing to be gained at all and who really wants to see more team orders? And in fact, having got the luck to find himself at the front, Vettel went through the traffic far more effectively than those behind and created himself a nice 5 second gap before the safety car intervened. That is the part where I think SV earned the win yesterday. Looked hungry and incisive.
Talk of CLC getting 'shafted' again yesterday? Total nonsense, Ferrari played their hand beautifully and earned themselves a 1-2. Why would they let CLC pass SV? Nothing to be gained at all and who really wants to see more team orders? And in fact, having got the luck to find himself at the front, Vettel went through the traffic far more effectively than those behind and created himself a nice 5 second gap before the safety car intervened. That is the part where I think SV earned the win yesterday. Looked hungry and incisive.
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