Max Verstappen
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sparta6 said:
37chevy said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
It's clear what is being referred.
Verstappen, still visibly furious, told Raikkonen that Ocon had taken him out.
However, while discussing the incident with the Red Bull driver, Hamilton told Verstappen that Ocon had the right to unlap himself.
Verstappen agreed, yet added: “But you can't crash into the leader, who's not doing anything crazy.”
Hamilton responded with: “You had more to lose than he did. He had nothing to lose.”
its not clear at all.Verstappen, still visibly furious, told Raikkonen that Ocon had taken him out.
However, while discussing the incident with the Red Bull driver, Hamilton told Verstappen that Ocon had the right to unlap himself.
Verstappen agreed, yet added: “But you can't crash into the leader, who's not doing anything crazy.”
Hamilton responded with: “You had more to lose than he did. He had nothing to lose.”
Lewis told max he had more to lose....inferring that if lewis was in Maxs position he would have backed out or given more room. that's not blaming Max or saying he was in the wrong, its stating an opinion about what he would have done in the same situation...and maybe a bit of experienced advice for Max
It could well be Max, Lewis, Le Clerc and Vettel all duking it out next season.
telecat said:
Hamilton hit the Nail on the head. As far as Max is concerned I suspect we will have to wait a few years as he just is not maturing. The WDC he covets is not his by right. Hamilton and Vettel have the experience and guile to frustrate him. Then will Leclerc or Gasly bend their knee to the thornne Of Max, I doubt it. As it stands I do not think Max would be a worthy WDC at the moment.
Max needs to remember 'to finish first, first you have to finish'.HustleRussell said:
Not the cleanest attempt by Ocon, you'd think with tyre advantage and engine advantage he could've managed a greater overlap and been ahead by the apex of turn 2 instead of just having his front tyre alongside Max's bargeboard.
As it played out it was f
king stupid of Max to expect him to just disappear though. By the looks of things, Max could've easily given Ocon room and emerged from the corner slightly ahead of Ocon with the shorter line around 3 and the inside line for 4 & 5.
Verstappen clearly hasn't got a WDC brain yet and his behaviour afterwards suggest his brain is letting him down outside of the car too.
Horner's sycophantic comments afterwards that Ocon was 'lucky to get away with just a push' were as puerile as Max's actions in the first place. He's a complete Max apologist.
Red Bull and Verstappen are showing signs of disappearing up each other's arses. It's hard to imagine Verstappen's actions going unchecked outside of the Red Bull bubble.
This.
Christian Horner should know better as a team principle,it was almost approving of his Max's actions after the race,whoever was wrong or right the fight/push should not be in front of the cameras...my 13 year old son said "Dad its like one of the bullies at school" and then walked away disappointed with Max (and my son is a fan of his)
As it played out it was f
king stupid of Max to expect him to just disappear though. By the looks of things, Max could've easily given Ocon room and emerged from the corner slightly ahead of Ocon with the shorter line around 3 and the inside line for 4 & 5.Verstappen clearly hasn't got a WDC brain yet and his behaviour afterwards suggest his brain is letting him down outside of the car too.
Horner's sycophantic comments afterwards that Ocon was 'lucky to get away with just a push' were as puerile as Max's actions in the first place. He's a complete Max apologist.
Red Bull and Verstappen are showing signs of disappearing up each other's arses. It's hard to imagine Verstappen's actions going unchecked outside of the Red Bull bubble.
This.
Christian Horner should know better as a team principle,it was almost approving of his Max's actions after the race,whoever was wrong or right the fight/push should not be in front of the cameras...my 13 year old son said "Dad its like one of the bullies at school" and then walked away disappointed with Max (and my son is a fan of his)
Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 12th November 13:11
All that pushing and shoving afterwards.....bit girly wasn't it?
Not like in the old days, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFky8hpVolg
Not like in the old days, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFky8hpVolg
StevieBee said:
All that pushing and shoving afterwards.....bit girly wasn't it?
Not like in the old days, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFky8hpVolg
If Max had really wanted to take after his old man and Grandfather, he should have waited around the back of the paddock and attacked Ocon then. He could easily have paid to stay out of gaol just like his forbears did...Not like in the old days, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFky8hpVolg
dunc_sx said:
TheLimla said:
At this stage, max would need a really dominant car to win as he hasn’t shown he has the ability to think about the long game.
I reckon with a championship at stake he'd change his tune, as it is he's just playing around for race by race glory.nav p said:
HustleRussell said:
Not the cleanest attempt by Ocon, you'd think with tyre advantage and engine advantage he could've managed a greater overlap and been ahead by the apex of turn 2 instead of just having his front tyre alongside Max's bargeboard.
As it played out it was fking stupid of Max to expect him to just disappear though. By the looks of things, Max could've easily given Ocon room and emerged from the corner slightly ahead of Ocon with the shorter line around 3 and the inside line for 4 & 5.
Verstappen clearly hasn't got a WDC brain yet and his behaviour afterwards suggest his brain is letting him down outside of the car too.
Horner's sycophantic comments afterwards that Ocon was 'lucky to get away with just a push' were as puerile as Max's actions in the first place. He's a complete Max apologist.
Red Bull and Verstappen are showing signs of disappearing up each other's arses. It's hard to imagine Verstappen's actions going unchecked outside of the Red Bull bubble.
This.As it played out it was f
king stupid of Max to expect him to just disappear though. By the looks of things, Max could've easily given Ocon room and emerged from the corner slightly ahead of Ocon with the shorter line around 3 and the inside line for 4 & 5.Verstappen clearly hasn't got a WDC brain yet and his behaviour afterwards suggest his brain is letting him down outside of the car too.
Horner's sycophantic comments afterwards that Ocon was 'lucky to get away with just a push' were as puerile as Max's actions in the first place. He's a complete Max apologist.
Red Bull and Verstappen are showing signs of disappearing up each other's arses. It's hard to imagine Verstappen's actions going unchecked outside of the Red Bull bubble.
Christian Horner should know better as a team principle,it was almost approving of his Max's actions after the race,whoever was wrong or right the fight/push should not be in front of the cameras...my 13 year old son said "Dad its like one of the bullies at school" and then walked away disappointed with Max (and my son is a fan of his)
school yard stuff for suresparta6 said:
dunc_sx said:
I reckon with a championship at stake he'd change his tune, as it is he's just playing around for race by race glory.
^^this^^I was never a fan of Senna or Schumacher due to their tactics and the superiority of the teams they ended up in but I like Max in an otherwise corporate boring F1 world.
sparta6 said:
dunc_sx said:
I reckon with a championship at stake he'd change his tune, as it is he's just playing around for race by race glory.
^^this^^Max is who he is and yet he hasn't worked out that despite Horner and Co building him up he isn't the best driver on the Grid by a long way. He is young and quick in a fast car and on certain circuits the best car but that is a million miles away from where Hamilton and Vettel are..
I am sure the Red Bull owner will not be too happy at his behaviour on Sunday despite what Horner said.
He has another opportunity to win a race this season or at least perform well but I feel sure if he comes across Ocon early on in the Race he will not be able to control himself.
I am sure the Red Bull owner will not be too happy at his behaviour on Sunday despite what Horner said.
He has another opportunity to win a race this season or at least perform well but I feel sure if he comes across Ocon early on in the Race he will not be able to control himself.
Sa Calobra said:
He'll soon be regularly fighting with Ocon in every race next year for position courtesy of the Honda engine 
There have been quite a few comments that the Honda is seriously improved. They have used their repeated changes with TR to accelerate the versions. Some say it is more powerful than the Renault now.Combine that with some good design packaging and maybe it will come good. I kind of hope it does.
Vaud said:
Sa Calobra said:
He'll soon be regularly fighting with Ocon in every race next year for position courtesy of the Honda engine
There have been quite a few comments that the Honda is seriously improved. They have used their repeated changes with TR to accelerate the versions. Some say it is more powerful than the Renault now.Combine that with some good design packaging and maybe it will come good. I kind of hope it does.
Part of me hopes they struggle. I found Horner b
hing and moaninf about Renault irritating. No praise at all when they were sweeping all before them. bhing when Mercedes would divi up their engines. Of course they are competitive and want to win but their sense of entitlement just grates.Best of all was Arrivabene initially saying of course RedBull can have our engines, we are not afraid, we are Ferrari and we fight everyone. Of course... RedBull didn’t get them
RedBull as a team have managed to become pretty unlikable.
Constant whinging about everything, petulance when things don't go 100% their way, Max acting like a spoiled child and being allowed to do so, dreadful treatment of junior drivers and of course Helmut Marko.
It's no wonder Max Verstappen fits right into that.
They are an astonishing team in terms of performance, but deeply unlikable.
Constant whinging about everything, petulance when things don't go 100% their way, Max acting like a spoiled child and being allowed to do so, dreadful treatment of junior drivers and of course Helmut Marko.
It's no wonder Max Verstappen fits right into that.
They are an astonishing team in terms of performance, but deeply unlikable.
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