Max Verstappen

[OFORBES]

On a side note, does anyone know where Charles Leclerc originates from? I dont think Sky F1 have ever mentioned it?






Apart from every time his name is mentioned.....

[Nickp82]

OFORBES said:

On a side note, does anyone know where Charles Leclerc originates from? I dont think Sky F1 have ever mentioned it?






Apart from every time his name is mentioned.....

It's as if they actually believe his full name from birth is 'The young Monagasque, Charles Leclerc'

[sparta6]

HighwayStar said:

sparta6 said:

IforB said:

RedBull as a team have managed to become pretty unlikable.

Constant whinging about everything, petulance when things don't go 100% their way

To be fair to Horner he complains about actuality: engines that HAVE gone pop, gearboxes that HAVE disintergrated etc etc.

By contrast how many times have we heard Toto Wolf complaining about things that ALMOST happened. Brazil was no exception - Lewis's engine was ABOUT to pack up !

And yet they still breezed the WCC

There you go again... you have a short memory/economical with the facts. Horner has been moaning about Renault for years, not happy with what Renault have given the team. Of course he has every right to do that but when there cars have stopped because of RedBull failures, not engine related, he keeps quiet. They've won raises this year, with an engine apparently not up to the job. Any praise to Renault for the car getting to the top step ahead if Merc and Fezza. Nope, nothing.
ALL TEAMS at one time or another have mentioned things that almost happened, engines that they weren't sure would get them over the line. It's racing and you know that but keep you blinkers on eh

I was only commenting on recent events / whinging / moaning. Wolff is pretty good at it

[OFORBES]

Nickp82 said:

OFORBES said:

On a side note, does anyone know where Charles Leclerc originates from? I dont think Sky F1 have ever mentioned it?






Apart from every time his name is mentioned.....

It's as if they actually believe his full name from birth is 'The young Monagasque, Charles Leclerc'

I am glad it isn't just me who has noticed. Its a running joke with a couple of friends where we ask the same question.. "where is he from again!?" - I have now totally exhausted my brain and wiki for places beginning with M.

[HighwayStar]

sparta6 said:

HighwayStar said:

sparta6 said:

IforB said:

RedBull as a team have managed to become pretty unlikable.

Constant whinging about everything, petulance when things don't go 100% their way

To be fair to Horner he complains about actuality: engines that HAVE gone pop, gearboxes that HAVE disintergrated etc etc.

By contrast how many times have we heard Toto Wolf complaining about things that ALMOST happened. Brazil was no exception - Lewis's engine was ABOUT to pack up !

And yet they still breezed the WCC

There you go again... you have a short memory/economical with the facts. Horner has been moaning about Renault for years, not happy with what Renault have given the team. Of course he has every right to do that but when there cars have stopped because of RedBull failures, not engine related, he keeps quiet. They've won raises this year, with an engine apparently not up to the job. Any praise to Renault for the car getting to the top step ahead if Merc and Fezza. Nope, nothing.
ALL TEAMS at one time or another have mentioned things that almost happened, engines that they weren't sure would get them over the line. It's racing and you know that but keep you blinkers on eh

I was only commenting on recent events / whinging / moaning. Wolff is pretty good at it

So are you .

To be honest I've not noticed Toto moaning incessantly... He certainly doesn't come across that way. He's always acknowledged Ferrari or RedBull if they've given Merc a spank, saying we'll have to go away and work harder. Drivers moan but that's to be expected, they will always push for more but Horner is at it all the time. It's boring now but... If Honda don't deliver I'll enjoy what will be a whole new level of winging from Spice Boy.

[sparta6]

HighwayStar said:

sparta6 said:

HighwayStar said:

sparta6 said:

IforB said:

RedBull as a team have managed to become pretty unlikable.

Constant whinging about everything, petulance when things don't go 100% their way

To be fair to Horner he complains about actuality: engines that HAVE gone pop, gearboxes that HAVE disintergrated etc etc.

By contrast how many times have we heard Toto Wolf complaining about things that ALMOST happened. Brazil was no exception - Lewis's engine was ABOUT to pack up !

And yet they still breezed the WCC

There you go again... you have a short memory/economical with the facts. Horner has been moaning about Renault for years, not happy with what Renault have given the team. Of course he has every right to do that but when there cars have stopped because of RedBull failures, not engine related, he keeps quiet. They've won raises this year, with an engine apparently not up to the job. Any praise to Renault for the car getting to the top step ahead if Merc and Fezza. Nope, nothing.
ALL TEAMS at one time or another have mentioned things that almost happened, engines that they weren't sure would get them over the line. It's racing and you know that but keep you blinkers on eh

I was only commenting on recent events / whinging / moaning. Wolff is pretty good at it

So are you .

To be honest I've not noticed Toto moaning incessantly... He certainly doesn't come across that way. He's always acknowledged Ferrari or RedBull if they've given Merc a spank, saying we'll have to go away and work harder. Drivers moan but that's to be expected, they will always push for more but Horner is at it all the time. It's boring now but... If Honda don't deliver I'll enjoy what will be a whole new level of winging from Spice Boy.

How many technical DNF's have Red Bull had this season ? Probably plenty enough for Horner Spice to complain about even though it's dull.

[TheInternet]

Nickp82 said:

It's as if they actually believe his full name from birth is 'The young Monagasque, Charles Leclerc'

Known in these parts as TYM Charles Leclerc, aka Tym/Tymothy.

[KevinCamaroSS]

sparta6 said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

Max is who he is and yet he hasn't worked out that despite Horner and Co building him up he isn't the best driver on the Grid by a long way. He is young and quick in a fast car and on certain circuits the best car but that is a million miles away from where Hamilton and Vettel are..

Vettel has made plenty of errors.

The true measure of the RB package is where DR gets the car on Sunday, excluding DNF's ofcourse.
You will see that MV somehow eeks out something extra that DR cannot find in terms of pace, tyre preservation and audacious overtakes.

I would have to disagree with that. Up until the time DR announced he was leaving, MV and DR both had 4 non-finishes, but, DR averaged 14.75 points per finish, MV only 13.125. Following the announcement DR has had 4 more non-finishes, MV none, DR has also had poorer finish positions, probably because RB are throwing everything at MV.

[Steamer]

TheInternet said:

Nickp82 said:

It's as if they actually believe his full name from birth is 'The young Monagasque, Charles Leclerc'

Known in these parts as TYM Charles Leclerc, aka Tym/Tymothy.

Sorry Slight thread derailment..

...Oh TYM Charlie!... Yer I think I heard he was a Monagasque too!

That 'M word' is like a bloody earworm after a GP race weekend with Sky!!

[sparta6]

KevinCamaroSS said:

sparta6 said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

Max is who he is and yet he hasn't worked out that despite Horner and Co building him up he isn't the best driver on the Grid by a long way. He is young and quick in a fast car and on certain circuits the best car but that is a million miles away from where Hamilton and Vettel are..

Vettel has made plenty of errors.

The true measure of the RB package is where DR gets the car on Sunday, excluding DNF's ofcourse.
You will see that MV somehow eeks out something extra that DR cannot find in terms of pace, tyre preservation and audacious overtakes.

I would have to disagree with that. Up until the time DR announced he was leaving, MV and DR both had 4 non-finishes, but, DR averaged 14.75 points per finish, MV only 13.125. Following the announcement DR has had 4 more non-finishes, MV none, DR has also had poorer finish positions, probably because RB are throwing everything at MV.

I hear you.
COTA was an example of MV's superior tyre management. P18 to P2. We have seen this many times including Barcelona for P1 (2016) where he managed to keep the faster Ferrari behind despite being on knackered tyres and Ferrari with DRS.
For a 19 year old it was a pretty impressive display.

[HustleRussell]

sparta6 said:

I hear you.
COTA was an example of MV's superior tyre management. P18 to P2. We have seen this many times including Barcelona for P1 (2016) where he managed to keep the faster Ferrari behind despite being on knackered tyres and Ferrari with DRS.
For a 19 year old it was a pretty impressive display.

Well observed and very true, how many times have we seen Hamilton bail on a set of tyres earlier than planned, compromising his strategy? Max will persevere with the tyres and more often than not will run them to plan or even radio in and say the tyres are fine to go further.

I know the Red Bull is kinder to its tyres than the Mercedes, but still...

Look at Mexico, Hamilton pitted off his Ultrasofts very early and then went through his Supersofts not far beyond mid-distance, and when he radio'd in to complain about those the team didn't have another new set to give him.

[Stan the Bat]

That Hamilton again , he gets in everywhere.

[HighwayStar]

HustleRussell said:

sparta6 said:

I hear you.
COTA was an example of MV's superior tyre management. P18 to P2. We have seen this many times including Barcelona for P1 (2016) where he managed to keep the faster Ferrari behind despite being on knackered tyres and Ferrari with DRS.
For a 19 year old it was a pretty impressive display.

Well observed and very true, how many times have we seen Hamilton bail on a set of tyres earlier than planned, compromising his strategy? Max will persevere with the tyres and more often than not will run them to plan or even radio in and say the tyres are fine to go further.

I know the Red Bull is kinder to its tyres than the Mercedes, but still...

Look at Mexico, Hamilton pitted off his Ultrasofts very early and then went through his Supersofts not far beyond mid-distance, and when he radio'd in to complain about those the team didn't have another new set to give him.

Fundamentally the tyres can only be looked after if the car allows you to do that... Hamilton is not generally know as a driver who chews through his tyres...
Certainly RedBull at present, certainly at Mexico at Brazil have been very good with there tyres though.

[NRS]

Hamilton said they should stay out longer on the tyres in Brazil, but the team called him in.

[KevinCamaroSS]

sparta6 said:

I hear you.
COTA was an example of MV's superior tyre management. P18 to P2. We have seen this many times including Barcelona for P1 (2016) where he managed to keep the faster Ferrari behind despite being on knackered tyres and Ferrari with DRS.
For a 19 year old it was a pretty impressive display.

There is no doubt Max is a very talented driver. However, and it is a big however, despite 4 years in F1 he is still exceedingly immature and prone to 'brain-fade'. Red Bull is also enabling that in the wrong way. He way well become a one team driver as no other team will want to put up with his antics.

[gmaz]

Nickp82 said:

It's as if they actually believe his full name from birth is 'The young Monagasque, Charles Leclerc'

Oh come on, I'm sure if anyone had the opportunity to legitimately use the word "Monagasque", they would do so as often as possible

[johnxjsc1985]

KevinCamaroSS said:

sparta6 said:

I hear you.
COTA was an example of MV's superior tyre management. P18 to P2. We have seen this many times including Barcelona for P1 (2016) where he managed to keep the faster Ferrari behind despite being on knackered tyres and Ferrari with DRS.
For a 19 year old it was a pretty impressive display.

There is no doubt Max is a very talented driver. However, and it is a big however, despite 4 years in F1 he is still exceedingly immature and prone to 'brain-fade'. Red Bull is also enabling that in the wrong way. He way well become a one team driver as no other team will want to put up with his antics.

I watched an interview on SKY this morning he is still very immature and I don't think he has matured over his time in F1.
He is going to win lots of Races but over a season he is way off being a World Champion

[kambites]

He could be the most naturally talented driver in F1 at the moment and is certainly one of the fastest... but talent and speed on their own are not enough to make a top-flight F1 driver.

I'm sure he's capable of learning the other skills he'll need but thus far there seems to be every indication that he's not willing to even acknowledge that he doesn't already have them.

[Drew106]

In fairness to Max, it took Lewis quite a few years to mature too.

They are similar in some ways, both came into the sport with big hype, awesome speed and undeniable talent. But a little stupid at times.

I think Max is probably a bit more 'hot-headed' than Lewis ever was, but if he can dial that back he'll be a hard man to beat. It is always easier to slow someone down, than speed them up

[768]

He certainly lacks the maturity of, say, Bottas. And the extra three points his Mercedes has accrued this year.

I don't think Max is too far off, I'm sure he'll learn the same lessons Lewis has in time.