Max Verstappen
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I can't help wondering where RIC would've been if he was still in a RB...
Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
mattikake said:
I can't help wondering where RIC would've been if he was still in a RB...
Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
I thought he was very restrained, didn't panic after the start moved up through the pack and stuck it on Leclerc on the corner exit after taking ownership of the corner on entry. Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
Very mature drive and reminded me of another driver who has his own thread on here, great to see him applying his talent he doesn't need to tone down on that showing, more of the same I say.
mattikake said:
I can't help wondering where RIC would've been if he was still in a RB...
Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
I agree. Most drivers tone it down, or at least perfect the art of diving for opportunities whilst also keeping one half of the brain in sanity mode and not throwing an entire race away by acting without care - a'la old Max.Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
Some drivers do go slightly the other way, such as Senna, and in part Schumacher, and conclude that maybe if the crazy remains, the other peasant drivers will learn sooner or later to get politely out of the way if they don't want to be driven in to. It's quite hard right now to say which way Max is headed. He's either cooled it down a little, or is simply being more selective about when he's had enough of the roadblock ahead and wants to punch through it, teach the silly roadblock race leader a lesson..
I'm not sure which one it is. I am sure however that some drivers do have an element of Max fear already and that if they have some points they can't afford to gamble with, they will only fight so hard with a driver like Max. Let's face it, every time you successfully defend from Max you double the chances that the next attempt will be the full mental devil may care 'I'm going through - deal with it' move. The pressure on the defending driver to worry more about a DNF than a single place drop must be immense.
It's very difficult to work out what motivates each drivers offensive/defensive behaviour. So much of it is likely down to simple inexperience. The one thing a driver can't learn during testing or free practice is offensive/defensive manoeuvres. Makes it difficult to always make good decisions when it does happen on race day! Did Max wilfully shunt CLC off the track on Sunday? Or did he instinctively race for the corner on the best line he could get given the overtake and fail to allow for the presence of CLC? Same goes for CLC, was he doing a poor job of defending, or just failed to realise quite how quickly Max, on his line, could be on his inside in that moment?
Max is either becoming less crazy - or more wise about when to unleash the crazy.
Wills2 said:
mattikake said:
I can't help wondering where RIC would've been if he was still in a RB...
Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
I thought he was very restrained, didn't panic after the start moved up through the pack and stuck it on Leclerc on the corner exit after taking ownership of the corner on entry. Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
Very mature drive and reminded me of another driver who has his own thread on here, great to see him applying his talent he doesn't need to tone down on that showing, more of the same I say.
Only kidding, I thought his drive was superb on Sunday. The car and circuit came to him and he made the most of it, providing some entertainment for us along the way. Let’s hope he continues to mature.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Different class to everyone today. Let's hope the Red Bull continues to improve.
Or is it just the fact Verstappen is so good? He lapped Gasly.
Drive of the season IMO.
Actually has there been a better drive in the last few years?
Really? Or is it just the fact Verstappen is so good? He lapped Gasly.
Drive of the season IMO.
Actually has there been a better drive in the last few years?
He was in a car as good as any on the grid, and what should have been a straightforward drive to the chequered flag was instead a job of hard work, with more wheel banging, running drivers off the track, more stewards involved, a long wait for the results, possibility of his podium position being changed or removed yet again, before it was decided that he had indeed won the race.
It’s all very exciting, and his ability to get on the inside of the other driver and outbrake is fantastic, but even after 90 races , he’s still not winning races in the same manner as the greats of the sport.
I’m sure he’ll get there in the end, but I’m starting to tire of the time it’s taking for him to learn how to win races cleanly and correctly. For a while it was looking like he was going to cost his team yet another batch of points.
heebeegeetee said:
Really?
He was in a car as good as any on the grid, and what should have been a straightforward drive to the chequered flag was instead a job of hard work, with more wheel banging, running drivers off the track, more stewards involved, a long wait for the results, possibility of his podium position being changed or removed yet again, before it was decided that he had indeed won the race.
It’s all very exciting, and his ability to get on the inside of the other driver and outbrake is fantastic, but even after 90 races , he’s still not winning races in the same manner as the greats of the sport.
I’m sure he’ll get there in the end, but I’m starting to tire of the time it’s taking for him to learn how to win races cleanly and correctly. For a while it was looking like he was going to cost his team yet another batch of points.
It's hard to disagree with a lot of those comments.He was in a car as good as any on the grid, and what should have been a straightforward drive to the chequered flag was instead a job of hard work, with more wheel banging, running drivers off the track, more stewards involved, a long wait for the results, possibility of his podium position being changed or removed yet again, before it was decided that he had indeed won the race.
It’s all very exciting, and his ability to get on the inside of the other driver and outbrake is fantastic, but even after 90 races , he’s still not winning races in the same manner as the greats of the sport.
I’m sure he’ll get there in the end, but I’m starting to tire of the time it’s taking for him to learn how to win races cleanly and correctly. For a while it was looking like he was going to cost his team yet another batch of points.
The last bit about costing his team yet another batch of points though... The hard fact is that he's netted serious points for his team so far this season.
He is punchy on track, and off it.. (literally), but he's also punching above his cars weight this year. However he gets it done, it is undeniable that he is getting it done.
I offer no theory as to why he can't/won't drive more cleanly and simplify his race effort a little. He's just 'that guy'. I don't mind the spectacule he creates though. It is particularly interesting to see how each opposing driver copes with 'the max problem' when they have to battle with him.
Like many of the great drivers, Verstappen not only wants to drive quickly- he wants to influence his competitors. If they believe he's a loose cannon, they're less likely to take a pint to pass him when they're slower. They're also less likely to get in his way on a 50/50 when he's trying to overtake them.
If he gets his reputation nailed now, before championships are at stake, he can ride that wave without taking the same risks when they are.
How many drivers messed around with Senna? Everyone saw that Senna would sometimes rather crash than concede.
If he gets his reputation nailed now, before championships are at stake, he can ride that wave without taking the same risks when they are.
How many drivers messed around with Senna? Everyone saw that Senna would sometimes rather crash than concede.
Vaud said:
Mansell, Prost, Irvine...?
I seem to remember Irvine getting punched and Prost losing a WDC in the gravel at Suzuka...?Meanwhil Senna had a reputation as a do or die racer and won 3 x WDC, winning races and often out-performing his car.
Verstappen knows what he's doing and is good at it.
SeeFive said:
Wills2 said:
mattikake said:
I can't help wondering where RIC would've been if he was still in a RB...
Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
I thought he was very restrained, didn't panic after the start moved up through the pack and stuck it on Leclerc on the corner exit after taking ownership of the corner on entry. Max will tone down the aggressive moves the older he gets, the more wins he gets and if he finds himself challenging for wdc's. Or at least he should if he learns. Most drivers lose that aggression (or rather, channel it better) as they get older - Lewis, Prost, Mansell even Senna to a degree.
Very mature drive and reminded me of another driver who has his own thread on here, great to see him applying his talent he doesn't need to tone down on that showing, more of the same I say.
Only kidding, I thought his drive was superb on Sunday. The car and circuit came to him and he made the most of it, providing some entertainment for us along the way. Let’s hope he continues to mature.
janesmith1950 said:
I seem to remember Irvine getting punched and Prost losing a WDC in the gravel at Suzuka...?
Meanwhil Senna had a reputation as a do or die racer and won 3 x WDC, winning races and often out-performing his car.
Verstappen knows what he's doing and is good at it.
This.Meanwhil Senna had a reputation as a do or die racer and won 3 x WDC, winning races and often out-performing his car.
Verstappen knows what he's doing and is good at it.
& make no mistake, he was laying down a marker by slapping down Leclerc the way he did ...as these will be the 2 battling for multiple WDC's in the not too distant future
TwentyFive said:
VladD said:
One for the statisticians and apologies if this has already been covered. Has any other F1 driver had 5+ wins without having taken a pole position?
Max now holds that record...Max Verstappen - 6 Wins - 0 Poles
Bruce McLaren - 4 Wins - 0 Poles
Eddie Irvine - 4 Wins - 0 Poles
He is tough to pass even in a slower car - IIRC he kept the faster Ferrari of Kimi behind him at Barcelona, and MV was on knackered tyres.
Good at making his car extra wide in all conditions
sparta6 said:
Imagine if his RB was fast enough for poles.
Er, Ricciardo had it on pole more than once, didn't he, Monaco? (Can't recall when right now), and the RB has had race pace, I reckon Max would have won at a canter last Sunday but for his mistake. (Though I presume they've found a technical reason by now. 
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