Max Verstappen
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sparta6 said:
Imagine if his RB was fast enough for poles.
He is tough to pass even in a slower car - IIRC he kept the faster Ferrari of Kimi behind him at Barcelona, and MV was on knackered tyres.
Good at making his car extra wide in all conditions
You mean the multiple moves in the braking zone blocks? He is tough to pass even in a slower car - IIRC he kept the faster Ferrari of Kimi behind him at Barcelona, and MV was on knackered tyres.
Good at making his car extra wide in all conditions
heebeegeetee said:
sparta6 said:
Imagine if his RB was fast enough for poles.
Er, Ricciardo had it on pole more than once, didn't he, Monaco? (Can't recall when right now), and the RB has had race pace, I reckon Max would have won at a canter last Sunday but for his mistake. (Though I presume they've found a technical reason by now. )thegreenhell said:
heebeegeetee said:
sparta6 said:
Imagine if his RB was fast enough for poles.
Er, Ricciardo had it on pole more than once, didn't he, Monaco? (Can't recall when right now), and the RB has had race pace, I reckon Max would have won at a canter last Sunday but for his mistake. (Though I presume they've found a technical reason by now. )Sadly the same isn't happening for Gasly
sparta6 said:
thegreenhell said:
heebeegeetee said:
sparta6 said:
Imagine if his RB was fast enough for poles.
Er, Ricciardo had it on pole more than once, didn't he, Monaco? (Can't recall when right now), and the RB has had race pace, I reckon Max would have won at a canter last Sunday but for his mistake. (Though I presume they've found a technical reason by now. )Sadly the same isn't happening for Gasly
Besides they don't have to sacrifice the quali set-up for the race or vice versa.
sparta6 said:
Imagine if his RB was fast enough for poles.
He is tough to pass even in a slower car - IIRC he kept the faster Ferrari of Kimi behind him at Barcelona, and MV was on knackered tyres.
Good at making his car extra wide in all conditions
Tough and dangerous to pass He is tough to pass even in a slower car - IIRC he kept the faster Ferrari of Kimi behind him at Barcelona, and MV was on knackered tyres.
Good at making his car extra wide in all conditions
Just because he's realised he's about to lose a place doesn't mean he's gonna let the other guy have it...As for how fast the RB is, they're currently on version 1.1 of the Honda PU. If no significant reliability issues are found by the end of this season, I would expect next years PU to more potent. Realistically they're only slightly under-powered compared to Ferrari or Mercedes power - we don't know the power figures but if there was more than a few % deficit I would be surprised. Obviously a small % counts for a lot in F1. There is no reason Honda can't develop and match the top PU's, in fact there are several good reasons that they are very well equipped to do just that.
The one thing that Honda could not afford this season was for reliability issues to return, they would have been publicly humiliated. So we can assume that they have not pushed in all areas of the PU quite as far as they might initially. I think there is a lot more to come.
janesmith1950 said:
As they're not fighting for a championship this year, RB will keep taking penalties (either themselves or TR) to introduce PU updates outside of the usual schedule.
They're using this year as testing to aim for next year.
I agree. From the radio transmissions they may have pushed the current PU quite hard (all the way to 11...) gets them a win, maybe prevents Max leaving with performance clauses, etcThey're using this year as testing to aim for next year.
heebeegeetee said:
Really?
He was in a car as good as any on the grid,
Based on Gasly's performance I'm not sure it was 100% the car. Had Verstappen retired on the first lap everybody would have assumed the Red Bull was a lap off the pace to the Ferraris. He was in a car as good as any on the grid,
heebeegeetee said:
and what should have been a straightforward drive to the chequered flag was instead a job of hard work, with more wheel banging, running drivers off the track, more stewards involved, a long wait for the results, possibility of his podium position being changed or removed yet again, before it was decided that he had indeed won the race.
Leclerc put himself in that position by placing his car on the outside - Verstappen took the racing line. I don't recall another driver having an off track excursion so I can only assume you typed drivers in error. Interesting you blame Verstappen for the fact that the stewards deemed it necessary to investigate "a racing incident" and the associated three hour wait it took them to publish their decision. heebeegeetee said:
It’s all very exciting, and his ability to get on the inside of the other driver and outbrake is fantastic, but even after 90 races , he’s still not winning races in the same manner as the greats of the sport.
None of the "greats", whoever they are, have spent their entire F1 career during an era which has been dominated by one team.
heebeegeetee said:
I’m sure he’ll get there in the end, but I’m starting to tire of the time it’s taking for him to learn how to win races cleanly and correctly. For a while it was looking like he was going to cost his team yet another batch of points.
The team seem quite pleased with him and he won driver of the day. The heat seemed to be too much for Merc, and to a lesser degree also neutralised Ferrari. Was Gasly's set up the same as Max's? who knows, but Max's result wasn't just down to driving. I don't think he's as amazing as some do on here. If he was more consistent and less clumsy with passing then perhaps...
Lucky for him that the sporting rules are open to manipulation to suit your brand owners, and put on a good "show"
Lucky for him that the sporting rules are open to manipulation to suit your brand owners, and put on a good "show"
Vaud said:
I agree. From the radio transmissions they may have pushed the current PU quite hard (all the way to 11...) gets them a win, maybe prevents Max leaving with performance clauses, etc
I really enjoyed those radio transmissions, almost like the thing is already in the red, but just turn it up to 11 anyway and go for it, all or nothing.Having to conserve engine life over a number of races in the pinnacle of motorsport is ridiculous, just rag the tits off them, that's what people want to see, I don't think the current rules on engines are conducive to exciting racing.
I refuse to call them PU's
If Vettel keeps drifting this would have been MV one chance to get into a decent seat next year. Now he'll be thinking it's looking good for next year at RB.
Only for it to be the same. He's spending his best years in a team where he'll never win a title.
FFS. When will we get exciting racing for a title.
Charles is good but I think Bottas good.
We need some title contenders up there. Maybe Max will never win one anyway but it'd be good to see some fireworks.
Only for it to be the same. He's spending his best years in a team where he'll never win a title.
FFS. When will we get exciting racing for a title.
Charles is good but I think Bottas good.
We need some title contenders up there. Maybe Max will never win one anyway but it'd be good to see some fireworks.
Sa Calobra said:
Vaud said:
I agree. From the radio transmissions they may have pushed the current PU quite hard (all the way to 11...) gets them a win, maybe prevents Max leaving with performance clauses, etc
I fear this. Sadly. Max needed to win and be at least 3rd in the Championship after this weekend to not be able to leave before the end of next year without penalty.
In hindsight, no big deal; he should have a very competitive car next year and ‘21 is anybody’s guess.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Only two Aliens in F1 at the moment, HAM & VER. What we need is Red Bull to pull their fingers out in the first quarter to give Max a chance in the championship
Totally agree. Hamilton and Verstappen are a level above. I would have put Alonso in that same boat if he was still in F1.This season is far from over but with the power circuits around the corner, I can't see the Red Bull being fast enough.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Totally agree. Hamilton and Verstappen are a level above. I would have put Alonso in that same boat if he was still in F1.
This season is far from over but with the power circuits around the corner, I can't see the Red Bull being fast enough.
True, but they might burn some PUs in exchange for points, taking a reliability hit later in the season.This season is far from over but with the power circuits around the corner, I can't see the Red Bull being fast enough.
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