Max Verstappen
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DeltonaS said:
Shouldn't you both be in bed by now ?
Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
If that's the case, how did Verstappen end up on pole?Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
Edited by DeltonaS on Sunday 4th August 20:39
DeltonaS said:
Shouldn't you both be in bed by now ?
Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
And it seems incredibly difficult for you to deal with the fact that Lewis’s performances might not just be down to the car but his talent of galactic proportions. Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
Edited by DeltonaS on Sunday 4th August 20:39
How many drivers out there could have put in that performance today? There’s only 2 drivers in the field at that level, Max is the other
Europa1 said:
If that's the case, how did Verstappen end up on pole?
The answer is Verstappen.I very much doubt anyone else on the grid would have got a pole in the Red Bull.
You could see how easily Hamilton could close on Verstappen. The Mercedes was so much faster.
This is why they went for the pitstop knowing Red Bull could do nothing and it worked.
37chevy said:
DeltonaS said:
Shouldn't you both be in bed by now ?
Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
And it seems incredibly difficult for you to deal with the fact that Lewis’s performances might not just be down to the car but his talent of galactic proportions. Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 4th August 20:39
How many drivers out there could have put in that performance today? There’s only 2 drivers in the field at that level, Max is the other
I don’t think there any real doubt what the Mercedes team is capable of if they don’t have issues; today was down to Vowles in the main though he needed somebody to get the most from the car.
REALIST123 said:
I would think Vettel and Ricciardo could have done it. Maybe Bottas on a good day, assuming you mean in the Mercedes.
I don’t think there any real doubt what the Mercedes team is capable of if they don’t have issues; today was down to Vowles in the main though he needed somebody to get the most from the car.
Don’t see Vettel doing it at the moment, Ricciardo maybe, Bottas maybe. To string what were essentially 20 qualifying laps together without making a mistake, snatching a brake or flat spotting a tyre takes a crazy amount of talent and concentration I don’t think there any real doubt what the Mercedes team is capable of if they don’t have issues; today was down to Vowles in the main though he needed somebody to get the most from the car.
REALIST123 said:
I would think Vettel and Ricciardo could have done it. Maybe Bottas on a good day, assuming you mean in the Mercedes.
I don’t think there any real doubt what the Mercedes team is capable of if they don’t have issues; today was down to Vowles in the main though he needed somebody to get the most from the car.
Time and Time again. With a good car a great talent can win. With a good car a good talent can podium with the odd win. I don’t think there any real doubt what the Mercedes team is capable of if they don’t have issues; today was down to Vowles in the main though he needed somebody to get the most from the car.
REALIST123 said:
I would think Vettel and Ricciardo could have done it. Maybe Bottas on a good day, assuming you mean in the Mercedes.
I don’t think there any real doubt what the Mercedes team is capable of if they don’t have issues; today was down to Vowles in the main though he needed somebody to get the most from the car.
Vettel who’s frequently bottled it when under pressure? Ricciardo who is often struggling to beat Hulkenberg? Bottas who’s struggling to keep second place in the championship despite being in car that apparently is so fast even Lance Stroll would be champion in it? I don’t think there any real doubt what the Mercedes team is capable of if they don’t have issues; today was down to Vowles in the main though he needed somebody to get the most from the car.
Lewis is one of the last drivers I’d choose to go for a drink with, but his speed is without question unless you’re some sort of biased moron.
I was watching the race in the pub today, and a Dutch guy came in. We ended up buying each other beers and came to the same conclusion. Lewis and Max are both fantastically fast, and watching them race each other is a result for the fans, regardless of who wins.
Paul_M3 said:
I was watching the race in the pub today, and a Dutch guy came in. We ended up buying each other beers and came to the same conclusion. Lewis and Max are both fantastically fast, and watching them race each other is a result for the fans, regardless of who wins.
This. We should be celebrating battles like this. One of the toughest young racers battling with one of the fastest f1 drivers of all time
DeltonaS said:
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Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
It’s down to both. Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
Edited by DeltonaS on Sunday 4th August 20:39
Can’t believe you’re still confused by this...
Europa1 said:
DeltonaS said:
Shouldn't you both be in bed by now ?
Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
If that's the case, how did Verstappen end up on pole?Does seem difficult for some to deal with the fact that Lewis's performances might not just be only down to his talent of galactic proportions but could just as well be down to having a better car.
Edited by DeltonaS on Sunday 4th August 20:39
37chevy said:
Paul_M3 said:
I was watching the race in the pub today, and a Dutch guy came in. We ended up buying each other beers and came to the same conclusion. Lewis and Max are both fantastically fast, and watching them race each other is a result for the fans, regardless of who wins.
This. We should be celebrating battles like this. One of the toughest young racers battling with one of the fastest f1 drivers of all time
Sooner or later history repeats.
mattikake said:
You don't become an f1 driver for many seasons* unless you're in about the top 40 of all drivers in the world.
Yup, me too. Although oddly, there have been some awesome racing drivers in GP2/F2/F3 who dominated but didn't perform to expectations in F1 - Georgio Pantano, Stoffel Vandorne, Jan Magnussen etc - and vice versa there have been incredible F1 drivers who didn't exactly set the world alight in GP2/F2/F3... Strange. Some make the best WEC and GT endurance racers while others don't and excel in F1- using many to rule out the likes of pay drivers like Chilton and Stroll...
I was wrong about Max at the beginning of the year when I labelled him another Juan Pablo Montoya. He's showing huge ability and signs of being another M.Schumacher - the great and the not-so-great traits
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Europa1 said:
If that's the case, how did Verstappen end up on pole?
The answer is Verstappen.I very much doubt anyone else on the grid would have got a pole in the Red Bull.
You could see how easily Hamilton could close on Verstappen. The Mercedes was so much faster.
This is why they went for the pitstop knowing Red Bull could do nothing and it worked.
NRS said:
It’s called tyres. Look at what happened when Max put on the new rubber at the end - back to having grip and puts in a fastest lap. Are you new to F1 perhaps?
The telling part of the race IMO was just after the first lot of pit stops. Verstappen came in for new tyres and Hamilton stayed out, losing about half a second per lap on tyres which were 25 laps older and had spent a fair number of those laps being abused in dirty air. Then Hamilton cames in and, on tyres only six laps newer than Verstappen's (and that's six laps of the hard, which should have minimal degradation), reeled him in at two seconds a lap. Or to put it another way, Verstappens first flying lap after fitting hards was an 1:20.928; Hamilton's was a 1:19.653. That's far more difference than can be accounted to by the fact Hamilton had six laps' less fuel at the time.
I think Verstappen/Redbull did a phenomenal job getting as close as he did in a car which was, IMO, a good second a lap slower in terms of race pace.
Edited by kambites on Monday 5th August 06:21
kambites said:
NRS said:
It’s called tyres. Look at what happened when Max put on the new rubber at the end - back to having grip and puts in a fastest lap. Are you new to F1 perhaps?
The telling part of the race IMO was just after the first lot of pit stops. Verstappen came in for new tyres and Hamilton stayed out, losing about half a second per lap on tyres which were 25 laps older and had spent a fair number of those laps being abused in dirty air. Then Hamilton cames in and, on tyres only six laps newer than Verstappen's (and that's six laps of the hard, which should have minimal degradation), reeled him in at two seconds a lap. Or to put it another way, Verstappens first flying lap after fitting hards was an 1:20.928; Hamilton's was a 1:19.653. That's far more difference than can be accounted to by the fact Hamilton had six laps' less fuel at the time.
I think Verstappen/Redbull did a phenomenal job getting as close as he did in a car which was, IMO, a good second a lap slower in terms of race pace.
Edited by kambites on Monday 5th August 06:21
37chevy said:
TobyTR said:
Sums the gulf up rather well. Imo, Mercedes still hold some in reserve until they really need to show their cards, and then they romp into the distance
Except you forget max was brought out into a bit of traffic, Hamilton wasn’t, so not a fair, direct comparison Edited by kambites on Monday 5th August 06:43
mattikake said:
37chevy said:
Except you forget max was brought out into a bit of traffic, Hamilton wasn’t, so not a fair, direct comparison
Yep. And that LH had gone into full attack mode, against accepted strategy, while MV was back into tyre conservation mode...I must admit I'm a bit bemused that anyone can think the Redbull was as fast as the Mercedes in that race. It didn't even look close to me.
kambites said:
The telling part of the race IMO was just after the first lot of pit stops. Verstappen came in for new tyres and Hamilton stayed out, losing about half a second per lap on tyres which were 25 laps older and had spent a fair number of those laps being abused in dirty air. Then Hamilton cames in and, on tyres only six laps newer than Verstappen's (and that's six laps of the hard, which should have minimal degradation), reeled him in at two seconds a lap.
I think Verstappen/Redbull did a phenomenal job getting as close as he did in a car which was, IMO, a good second a lap slower in terms of race pace.
I would say it was faster car, but nothing like that advantage. If it was then Hamilton being 1 second faster than Max in that RB would mean Bottas should have been 2/3 seconds a lap quicker than the other cars? Certainly didn’t seem to be anything like that.I think Verstappen/Redbull did a phenomenal job getting as close as he did in a car which was, IMO, a good second a lap slower in terms of race pace.
Edited by kambites on Monday 5th August 06:12
First - Lewis stayed around 2.2 seconds behind Max for most of first stint. That seems to avoid most of the dirty air from previous races. Then he closed up, which offered option of undercut, and RB blinked first. I’d suspect they knew this would risk life at end, but thought track position on this track was best. Ver came out in backmarkers slowing him down. Ham then stayed out longer and used tyres to max (said there was no more speed in them on radio).
When Ham came out from pit Merc said ‘get him while tyres are fresh’ - hence him using full performance. He’s done it before in previous races, as 2 cars on more old tyres will never pass on this sort of track. So even if you use loads at start and pass then it still works. Whereas Max didn’t need to push, just defend on a hard to pass track - for which he’s excellent. Then helps reduce risk of tyres falling off a cliff at the end (which they did anyway).
It’d be interesting to see how much time difference there was between clean air laps after both pit stops for Max, to show car’s potential. If second pit stop was much faster it would support Max controlling pace after first, instead of giving it everything.
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