Max Verstappen

[WickerBill]

95 fiesta si said:

CoolHands said:

Max has definitely mentally developed compared with previous years. Today would have been toys out pram a year or two ago.

I think thats as much to do with his coming of age as it experience, we forget cause he seems to of been around for years now that his still only 23.

Yeh that’s an interesting stat

One side of me says he’s only 23...maturity will come

The other day he’s had 100 Grand Prix now, maturity should be there already,

It will be interesting to see how this year develops

[Zarco]

My favourite driver in F1 these days.

[Sandpit Steve]

CoolHands said:

Max has definitely mentally developed compared with previous years. Today would have been toys out pram a year or two ago.

That’s true.

Younger Max would have been very upset that ‘the strategists hung him out to dry’ today, when the reality is that there’s nothing they could really have done about it once Mercedes showed their hand, and Lewis had already succeeded in getting Max to take too much out of his tyres for the one stop to be faster overall.

He’s definitely matured a lot in the last couple of years, because he started so young we do forget he’s only 23. That said, it will be eating his brain if Lewis keeps taking wins like we saw today.

[jm doc]

CoolHands said:

Max has definitely mentally developed compared with previous years. Today would have been toys out pram a year or two ago.

Max is always one setback short of a meltdown and the pressure is really on him now. It won't be long......

[95 fiesta si]

jm doc said:

Max is always one setback short of a meltdown and the pressure is really on him now. It won't be long......

Well I think his doing incredible well, only meltdown I heard in Monaco was from Lewis ?

[kiseca]

95 fiesta si said:

jm doc said:

Max is always one setback short of a meltdown and the pressure is really on him now. It won't be long......

Well I think his doing incredible well, only meltdown I heard in Monaco was from Lewis ?

If Max's reaction to the red flag on Saturday wasn't a meltdown, I don't know what is.

Personally I think he did well in qualifying and even better in the race. He's focussed on the championship and if Merc and Lewis give him half a chance, he'll have it.

EDIT: Removed all the stuff about the Monaco Grand Prix because that belongs in the Monaco GP thread.

Edited by kiseca on Monday 24th May 08:55

[95 fiesta si]

kiseca said:

If Max's reaction to the red flag on Saturday wasn't a meltdown, I don't know what is.

Edited by kiseca on Monday 24th May 08:55

His always been like that even when he's not been a championship contender, seems english foul language is 2nd nature to him lol

There are many doubters out there, he lost 3 of the first 4 races yet he has come back to now lead the WDC. i know it's a long road yet but his on the right path

[SturdyHSV]

kiseca said:

If Max's reaction to the red flag on Saturday wasn't a meltdown, I don't know what is.

Really, you consider that a meltdown?

It's an extremely intense qualifying, most important of the year and they're all extremely focused, he was over 2 tenths up and felt this was going to be the lap as the tyres were in the window compared to the first one, and then it gets red flagged. That is going to be really frustrating, why the hell wouldn't he swear a bit?

I think Vettel covered this quite well in the press conference where he defended Lewis' team radio a few years ago. If upon a potential pole lap getting red flagged the driver flatly went "OK, thanks", everyone would be pissing and moaning how they're emotionless robots with no personality.

The man is as good as Dutch, he just says it how it is. He swore a lot in frustration when it happened which surely any passionate invested human would, and then moved on and was absolutely fine about it moments later, it's not as if he pulled up next to LeClerc's car and started trying to hit him, spending the rest of the day complaining about it and blaming LeClerc or refusing to do press interviews etc.

[kiseca]

SturdyHSV said:

kiseca said:

If Max's reaction to the red flag on Saturday wasn't a meltdown, I don't know what is.

Really, you consider that a meltdown?

It's an extremely intense qualifying, most important of the year and they're all extremely focused, he was over 2 tenths up and felt this was going to be the lap as the tyres were in the window compared to the first one, and then it gets red flagged. That is going to be really frustrating, why the hell wouldn't he swear a bit?

I think Vettel covered this quite well in the press conference where he defended Lewis' team radio a few years ago. If upon a potential pole lap getting red flagged the driver flatly went "OK, thanks", everyone would be pissing and moaning how they're emotionless robots with no personality.

The man is as good as Dutch, he just says it how it is. He swore a lot in frustration when it happened which surely any passionate invested human would, and then moved on and was absolutely fine about it moments later, it's not as if he pulled up next to LeClerc's car and started trying to hit him, spending the rest of the day complaining about it and blaming LeClerc or refusing to do press interviews etc.

If Lewis's annoyance on the radio on Sunday was a meltdown, then Max's outburst on Saturday definitely was. Doesn't matter why. Everyone has a reason why.

I know a lot of people with Dutch background, and if someone is face to face with me and speaking like he was on Saturday, I would think they are well beyond just "saying it how it is." It was clearly a very emotional outburst.

Yes Vettel defended Lewis. His message was the outburst is expected, not the outburst didn't happen.

[SturdyHSV]

kiseca said:

If Lewis's annoyance on the radio on Sunday was a meltdown, then Max's outburst on Saturday definitely was. Doesn't matter why. Everyone has a reason why.

I know a lot of people with Dutch background, and if someone is face to face with me and speaking like he was on Saturday, I would think they are well beyond just "saying it how it is." It was clearly a very emotional outburst.

Yes Vettel defended Lewis. His message was the outburst is expected, not the outburst didn't happen.

I don't think Lewis had a meltdown either, although I'd say he was more bothered for a longer period of time so was perhaps further along the 'meltdown' scale

I agree with you it was an unfiltered emotional reaction, but I don't think it was inappropriate or some wildly uncontrolled meltdown, he was really pissed off, and exclaimed as such.

Perhaps I just have too relaxed a definition of meltdown, for me it would have to be a far longer period of uncontrolled emotion to be considered a meltdown, something like overtaking a bunch of cars under the safety car and deliberately driving in to a competitor, or returning to the pits after an incident and storming over to someone and still kicking off at them (Verstappen, Schumacher, Mazepin etc. etc).

[anonymous-user]

Show me a world champion who isn't unhappy at being stuck in 7th place with no chance of overtaking, in a car possibly the fastest on track (once the tyres were in the proper operating window).

[NRS]

SturdyHSV said:

kiseca said:

If Lewis's annoyance on the radio on Sunday was a meltdown, then Max's outburst on Saturday definitely was. Doesn't matter why. Everyone has a reason why.

I know a lot of people with Dutch background, and if someone is face to face with me and speaking like he was on Saturday, I would think they are well beyond just "saying it how it is." It was clearly a very emotional outburst.

Yes Vettel defended Lewis. His message was the outburst is expected, not the outburst didn't happen.

I don't think Lewis had a meltdown either, although I'd say he was more bothered for a longer period of time so was perhaps further along the 'meltdown' scale

I agree with you it was an unfiltered emotional reaction, but I don't think it was inappropriate or some wildly uncontrolled meltdown, he was really pissed off, and exclaimed as such.

Perhaps I just have too relaxed a definition of meltdown, for me it would have to be a far longer period of uncontrolled emotion to be considered a meltdown, something like overtaking a bunch of cars under the safety car and deliberately driving in to a competitor, or returning to the pits after an incident and storming over to someone and still kicking off at them (Verstappen, Schumacher, Mazepin etc. etc).

That makes a lot more sense - too many people say a driver complaining about a bad strategy call which loses them 3 places with no chance to get them back, or someone on a great lap which gets stopped is a meltdown. It's not, it's annoyance and complaining. A meltdown should be toys out of the pram and doing something abnormal in that situation.

[95 fiesta si]

The lads doing well, his taking it to a 7 time world champion that most people consider GOAT.

In some ways id say max is very lucky to be driving in the current era, he can say that he has raced wheel to wheel with greatest of all time

Edited by 95 fiesta si on Monday 24th May 11:31

[sparta6]

95 fiesta si said:

In some ways id say max is very lucky to be driving in the current era, he can say that he has raced wheel to wheel with greatest of all time

Edited by 95 fiesta si on Monday 24th May 11:31

I thought Jos Verstappen claimed such when he was at Benetton ?

What a snoozefest ! The Historique cars provided far better racing.

[Teddy Lop]

kiseca said:

If Lewis's annoyance on the radio on Sunday was a meltdown, then Max's outburst on Saturday definitely was. Doesn't matter why. Everyone has a reason why.

I know a lot of people with Dutch background, and if someone is face to face with me and speaking like he was on Saturday, I would think they are well beyond just "saying it how it is." It was clearly a very emotional outburst.

Yes Vettel defended Lewis. His message was the outburst is expected, not the outburst didn't happen.

I would not describe the sentiments of either driver as a meltdown, max released some emotions after being dumped out of the incredible high that is a pole lap at Monaco, Lewis understandably upset at developing strat. Neither jeopardised themselves or their event (such as seb swearing about whiting or road-raging into Lewis, or max squaring up to ocon). I think anyone thinking either of these are unreasonable should do a little research into what these chaps are experiencing, the pressures they work under and the emotions in play. It's not like driving your Toyota to Tesco.

[kiseca]

SturdyHSV said:

kiseca said:

If Lewis's annoyance on the radio on Sunday was a meltdown, then Max's outburst on Saturday definitely was. Doesn't matter why. Everyone has a reason why.

I know a lot of people with Dutch background, and if someone is face to face with me and speaking like he was on Saturday, I would think they are well beyond just "saying it how it is." It was clearly a very emotional outburst.

Yes Vettel defended Lewis. His message was the outburst is expected, not the outburst didn't happen.

I don't think Lewis had a meltdown either, although I'd say he was more bothered for a longer period of time so was perhaps further along the 'meltdown' scale

I agree with you it was an unfiltered emotional reaction, but I don't think it was inappropriate or some wildly uncontrolled meltdown, he was really pissed off, and exclaimed as such.

Perhaps I just have too relaxed a definition of meltdown, for me it would have to be a far longer period of uncontrolled emotion to be considered a meltdown, something like overtaking a bunch of cars under the safety car and deliberately driving in to a competitor, or returning to the pits after an incident and storming over to someone and still kicking off at them (Verstappen, Schumacher, Mazepin etc. etc).

I agree, "meltdown" is kind of slang really. It can mean what you want it to mean. I think both of them had very emotional reactions to events that were out of their control but were a very personal setback for each of them. And in both cases I can empathise.

[rdjohn]

While Lewis was obviously not happy, i would hardly have called it an outburst.

I had the feeling that it was something the had been spoken about at length in debrief and that he had been overruled because Valteri was switching on the tyres and track temperature was forecast to be higher on Sunday.

He was very clear after the race that it was something to be discussed in private - not team radio, or for the media.

Something i like about the Mercedes team is that these things tend to be discussed openly with fans in their Wednesday team debrief. This week’s should be a good one.

I suspect that every member of the team now knows that they fluffed this one badly, but they will will also all learn from it.

[95 fiesta si]

We are watching a champion in Max unfold this year against a GOAT 7 WDC Lewis Hamilton

Its important for Max to beat Lewis this year \ next year to create his own Legacy before Hamilton retires whenever that is.

[paulguitar]

95 fiesta si said:

We are watching a champion in Max unfold this year against a GOAT 7 WDC Lewis Hamilton

Its important for Max to beat Lewis this year \ next year to create his own Legacy before Hamilton retires whenever that is.

I really hope the season does not become really one-sided as it looks like it might. We had an excellent start, but not even Hamilton can do much to compete against a car that is making up a second every 4 laps purely on the straights.

[95 fiesta si]

paulguitar said:

I really hope the season does not become really one-sided as it looks like it might. We had an excellent start, but not even Hamilton can do much to compete against a car that is making up a second every 4 laps purely on the straights.

Yea i hope so to, well iam guessing next race will be advantage red bull again, cant see what Lewis can do any different with the next 7 days. It only takes 1 race for max to have a DNF and Lewis to win and we are right back where we started.