Max Verstappen
Discussion
Lewis is in the twilight of his career, I think it’s really important for the other drivers to ensure that Max does not continue with his antics once Lewis has retired. At the moment it only seems to be Lewis who is willing and able to stand up to Max. If the others don’t step up I think there is a genuine worry that it will take an unpleasant accident to curtail the situation.
One thing we clearly know is that in Dr. Helmet, Jos and Horner, Max is surrounded by sycophantic cretins, so adult guidance won’t be forthcoming from any of them.
One thing we clearly know is that in Dr. Helmet, Jos and Horner, Max is surrounded by sycophantic cretins, so adult guidance won’t be forthcoming from any of them.
Oilchange said:
I'm beginning to think Verstappen needs a wake up call, not like Silverstone, a proper 'oh my god I nearly died' moment. Or he will carry on being the mindless 
he is.
Or just the sport to penalise him for doing stuff that could kill him, ahead of it actually killing him? That could be a plan too he is.
The grid drop penalty for his willingness to crash last outing was insufficient imo, and obviously pointless as he has an engine penalty to take anyway. The penalty needs to be genuine deterrent - I'd rather that than wait around until he eventually learns by seriously hurting himself.
TheDeuce said:
Oilchange said:
I'm beginning to think Verstappen needs a wake up call, not like Silverstone, a proper 'oh my god I nearly died' moment. Or he will carry on being the mindless he is.
Or just the sport to penalise him for doing stuff that could kill him, ahead of it actually killing him? That could be a plan too he is.The grid drop penalty for his willingness to crash last outing was insufficient imo, and obviously pointless as he has an engine penalty to take anyway. The penalty needs to be genuine deterrent - I'd rather that than wait around until he eventually learns by seriously hurting himself.
I suspect the owners of F1 are also sitting back thinking this is good for viewing figures but someone will end up paying a very high or the ultimate price for it.
gottans said:
TheDeuce said:
Oilchange said:
I'm beginning to think Verstappen needs a wake up call, not like Silverstone, a proper 'oh my god I nearly died' moment. Or he will carry on being the mindless he is.
Or just the sport to penalise him for doing stuff that could kill him, ahead of it actually killing him? That could be a plan too he is.The grid drop penalty for his willingness to crash last outing was insufficient imo, and obviously pointless as he has an engine penalty to take anyway. The penalty needs to be genuine deterrent - I'd rather that than wait around until he eventually learns by seriously hurting himself.
I suspect the owners of F1 are also sitting back thinking this is good for viewing figures but someone will end up paying a very high or the ultimate price for it.
It's for max to decide how ballsy he is to be. And it's for the sports top brass to decide how much scope they allow him. I think what we're seeing play out regards Max is a compromise between commercial value and corporate responsibility.
It's F1, typically commercial value wins out and the responsibility bit tends to come after the event.
Presuming Ed said:
GCH said:
It was meant to be a ridiculous comparison....as ridiculous as the assertion that he assumed he was ok because the wheels were moving with a bloody red bull parked on top of him... especially after all the silverstone bleating about celebrating while in hospital, 5million G impact etc.
When you write this stuff do you read it back and think maybe your being a little bit dramatic.It was clear Hamilton was fine. Do you want to stand near an F1 car that someone's trying to free up from beneath another one.
paulguitar said:
One thing we clearly know is that in Dr. Helmet, Jos and Horner, Max is surrounded by sycophantic cretins, so adult guidance won’t be forthcoming from any of them.
Having lived in NL for the odd 5 years or so, what always baffled me was their unflinching support for Verstappen whatever fkup he produced. To me, Verstappen is simply a hot headed self-entitled prick with an utterly toxic character fuelled by his overambitious father who got his mediocrity clearly shown by MSC back in the day and now lives his dream of fame and success through his son. Yet for a Dutch F1 fan, everything seems forgiven when it comes to Verstappen. Their 'fandom' rather reminded me of some brain washed personality cult.jm doc said:
Wow, your diagnostic skills are amazing! You could see from your telly that Hamilton was fine after just having an F1 car drop on his head.
Yes I could see as much as Verstappen would have been able to see, stand in between the wheels of an F1 car that's revving its nuts off trying to untangle itself from a wreck if you wish but the only sensible course of action is to give it a serious wide berth.Oilchange said:
I'm beginning to think Verstappen needs a wake up call, not like Silverstone, a proper 'oh my god I nearly died' moment. Or he will carry on being the mindless he is.
tbh i doubt even that would do it he is.only way Max is going to learn is if he loses a WDC ...& so far, out of the 2 proper impacts he's had with his championship rival he's got 0 pts out of a potential 50 (whilst Hamilton has 25)
If he keeps up that scoring ratio he'll lose the WDC to Hamilton & he will have only himself to blame ...as the RBR is clearly the quicker car
Also suspect that Hamilton has noted that Max seems to have a
in his armour regarding the above, in that he struggles with his race craft & the ability to know when it's clear to go round the outside or when to yield- i'd expect that to be exploited to the maximum in the forthcoming races as the pressure ramps upPresuming Ed said:
jm doc said:
Wow, your diagnostic skills are amazing! You could see from your telly that Hamilton was fine after just having an F1 car drop on his head.
Yes I could see as much as Verstappen would have been able to see, stand in between the wheels of an F1 car that's revving its nuts off trying to untangle itself from a wreck if you wish but the only sensible course of action is to give it a serious wide berth.(just stirring the pot)
angrymoby said:
tbh i doubt even that would do it
only way Max is going to learn is if he loses a WDC ...& so far, out of the 2 proper impacts he's had with his championship rival he's got 0 pts out of a potential 50 (whilst Hamilton has 25)
If he keeps up that scoring ratio he'll lose the WDC to Hamilton & he will have only himself to blame ...as the RBR is clearly the quicker car
Also suspect that Hamilton has noted that Max seems to have a in his armour regarding the above, in that he struggles with his race craft & the ability to know when it's clear to go round the outside or when to yield- i'd expect that to be exploited to the maximum in the forthcoming races as the pressure ramps up
Either that, or someone caves his face in with a crash helmet for his on track antics only way Max is going to learn is if he loses a WDC ...& so far, out of the 2 proper impacts he's had with his championship rival he's got 0 pts out of a potential 50 (whilst Hamilton has 25)
If he keeps up that scoring ratio he'll lose the WDC to Hamilton & he will have only himself to blame ...as the RBR is clearly the quicker car
Also suspect that Hamilton has noted that Max seems to have a
in his armour regarding the above, in that he struggles with his race craft & the ability to know when it's clear to go round the outside or when to yield- i'd expect that to be exploited to the maximum in the forthcoming races as the pressure ramps upSandpit Steve said:
Oilchange said:
Or glance across nonchalantly and wander off without the slightest care...
…spending half a minute ambling behind their car, on a live circuit, just to make sure they definitely don’t reverse out. It shows the mentality of both drivers.
Lewis still trying to reverse out to continue despite probably knowing his car was heavily damaged
Max noticing Lewis trying this so walks behind him "are you going to reverse into me? That really will be your fault"
Although i may be looking into this too much!
angrymoby said:
tbh i doubt even that would do it
only way Max is going to learn is if he loses a WDC ...& so far, out of the 2 proper impacts he's had with his championship rival he's got 0 pts out of a potential 50 (whilst Hamilton has 25)
If he keeps up that scoring ratio he'll lose the WDC to Hamilton & he will have only himself to blame ...as the RBR is clearly the quicker car
Also suspect that Hamilton has noted that Max seems to have a in his armour regarding the above, in that he struggles with his race craft & the ability to know when it's clear to go round the outside or when to yield- i'd expect that to be exploited to the maximum in the forthcoming races as the pressure ramps up
Even then, he’ll probably just blame Lewis, who was given a penalty at Silverstone, so Max will simply feel he was robbed of the championship because of someone else’s dangerous driving. only way Max is going to learn is if he loses a WDC ...& so far, out of the 2 proper impacts he's had with his championship rival he's got 0 pts out of a potential 50 (whilst Hamilton has 25)
If he keeps up that scoring ratio he'll lose the WDC to Hamilton & he will have only himself to blame ...as the RBR is clearly the quicker car
Also suspect that Hamilton has noted that Max seems to have a
in his armour regarding the above, in that he struggles with his race craft & the ability to know when it's clear to go round the outside or when to yield- i'd expect that to be exploited to the maximum in the forthcoming races as the pressure ramps upHalf of me is looking forward to him taking an engine penalty at some point, just to see the attitude of the more experienced drivers as Max tries to progress from the back of the grid.
Sandpit Steve said:
Even then, he’ll probably just blame Lewis, who was given a penalty at Silverstone, so Max will simply feel he was robbed of the championship because of someone else’s dangerous driving.
Half of me is looking forward to him taking an engine penalty at some point, just to see the attitude of the more experienced drivers as Max tries to progress from the back of the grid.
Not their fight so theyll let him straight throughHalf of me is looking forward to him taking an engine penalty at some point, just to see the attitude of the more experienced drivers as Max tries to progress from the back of the grid.
Mind you Alonso versus Hamilton a few weeks ago was excellent although FA was being a superb wingman for Ocon and actually did have an interest in keeping him behind
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