Max Verstappen

Max Verstappen

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sdh2903

249 posts

144 months

Sunday 21st November
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I think we're lucky to be witnessing one of the best and closest championships and 2 fabulous drivers going at it. I'm not a Lewis fan but you can't deny the sheer ability and temperament. His temperament that will win him number 8. Max just doesn't have the ability to back out and 'fight another day' although there was a glimpse today on lap 1. His time will come though. He's too good not to be world champion. Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.

It will be intreagueing to see after the dust settles on this season what Mercedes actually have found/upgraded/unlocked on their car as they were nowhere on pace. To swing a half second disadvantage to a half second advantage is quite something. Especially as they allegedly stopped bringing upgrades some time ago.

Also the gulf between LH and MV to the rest of the field is quite astounding.

mattikake

4,923 posts

171 months

Sunday 21st November
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sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.

Wills2

18,721 posts

147 months

Sunday 21st November
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rdjohn said:
Did you see just how fast Max was able to swerve and back out when Fernando came at him on the opening lap?
No point in clashing with the Alpine as he's not racing them.





heebeegeetee

27,166 posts

220 months

Sunday 21st November
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mattikake said:
sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.
I don't recall much of that either. I recall him generating feedback on forums and social media the like of which I've never seen, and him getting criticism for just about every single move he made, be it in car or out. I guess that must have had an effect on him.

Other than that I've loved every minute of his career, and am deeply grateful for 14 years of entertainment. His 1st year in F1 was the best 1st year performance i've ever seen, and I still find those races bloody entertaining to watch.

It's interesting that all his then rivals have fallen by the wayside, and the current bunch of young drivers are having to operate at the highest level to beat him. After 14 years. Quite incredible.

elanfan

5,022 posts

199 months

Monday 22nd November
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What’s the betting that Verstappen will take Lewis out a la Schumaker if things aren’t going his way and he can win the title by doing so. I think it’s definitely in his nature.

StevieBee

10,363 posts

227 months

Monday 22nd November
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elanfan said:
What’s the betting that Verstappen will take Lewis out a la Schumaker if things aren’t going his way and he can win the title by doing so. I think it’s definitely in his nature.
In the past, I'd have agreed but I sense a certain maturity finally descending on Max. The same cannot be said for his team.

They've lost a bit on momentum at a critical time in the season and are clearly rattled.

HTP99

18,882 posts

112 months

Monday 22nd November
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mattikake said:
sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.
I read that line late last night and couldn't be bothered to fart around and quote it but same here please remind me when Lewis behaved like a petulant brat, the same as Max does, as I just can't recall?

Tommo87

2,599 posts

85 months

Monday 22nd November
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elanfan said:
What’s the betting that Verstappen will take Lewis out a la Schumaker if things aren’t going his way and he can win the title by doing so. I think it’s definitely in his nature.
Oh yeah, of course will try.
And Christian will smugly suggest it was a racing incident,




Tommo87

2,599 posts

85 months

Monday 22nd November
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mattikake said:
sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.
Yeah.. it’s a great story, but needs more wizards and dragons to make it believable.

sdh2903

249 posts

144 months

Monday 22nd November
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HTP99 said:
I read that line late last night and couldn't be bothered to fart around and quote it but same here please remind me when Lewis behaved like a petulant brat, the same as Max does, as I just can't recall?
I take it no one watched the 2007 season?

The whole spat with alonso (yes I know alonso paid a huge childish part) all started by Lewis breaking an agreement. There were numerous occasions throughout that season where Lewis threw his toys out of the pram. Thing was, he learnt from it and the rest is history. Although a little resurfaced in 2016 with rosberg. But again I put the majority of that in rosbergs camp as he realised he had no chance against Lewis unless he got his elbows out (and better reliability)

I'm not a Lewis basher by any means so the guard dogs can stand down. But he's no saint. None of them are. Look at some of the most revered successful drivers in history, they've all had moments they probably wouldn't look back on with great pride.

CustardOnChips

1,854 posts

34 months

Monday 22nd November
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HTP99 said:
mattikake said:
sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.
I read that line late last night and couldn't be bothered to fart around and quote it but same here please remind me when Lewis behaved like a petulant brat, the same as Max does, as I just can't recall?
Lewis has had his moments over the years. They all have. But Max is now in his 7th year of being an F1 driver. He’s an adult, yet people keep making excuses for his behaviour because he’s still young.

hot metal

1,577 posts

165 months

Monday 22nd November
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llewop said:
I'd change your second sentence to 'with his talent he feels he deserves to win the title'.

Those three races show that he hasn't really changed his driving from his early days, just mostly others (including Hamilton) have learnt that to finish, first you need to not be on the bit of road Max has set his eye on....

He does race like an entitled spoilt brat because he is - Horner and Marko enable his petulance and aggression rather than try to temper and moderate it.
Jackie Stewart said Max still needs to grow up, how come Red Bull listen to Helmuth (no point(s) Marko and not the likes of Jackie (3 times world champion) Stewart ??

NAS

2,484 posts

203 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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hot metal said:
Jackie Stewart said Max still needs to grow up, how come Red Bull listen to Helmuth (no point(s) Marko and not the likes of Jackie (3 times world champion) Stewart ??
Is that the same J. Stewart, who ran that massively succesfull F1 team? rolleyes

Marko is an attorney, won Le Mans in a 917, held the absolute lap record at the Targa Florio and would've probably gotten some F1 points, if he didn't lose his eyesight, through no fault of his own.

Not that it should matter, because he's simply a better manager and teamboss.



TheInternet

3,915 posts

135 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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NAS said:
Is that the same J. Stewart, who ran that massively succesfull F1 team?
They're actually doing reasonably well these days.

NAS

2,484 posts

203 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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TheInternet said:
They're actually doing reasonably well these days.
After it was sold to someone who hired an old semi-blind Austrian to run it for them. hehe

Tommo87

2,599 posts

85 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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TheInternet said:
NAS said:
Is that the same J. Stewart, who ran that massively succesfull F1 team?
They're actually doing reasonably well these days.
Possibly the same guy who actually has some driving experience, and also campaigned for years over driver safety (something a l F1 fan should already know).

So, probably better placed to comment on driving standards, than Helmet.

NAS

2,484 posts

203 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Tommo87 said:
TheInternet said:
NAS said:
Is that the same J. Stewart, who ran that massively succesfull F1 team?
They're actually doing reasonably well these days.
Possibly the same guy who actually has some driving experience, and also campaigned for years over driver safety (something a l F1 fan should already know).

So, probably better placed to comment on driving standards, than Helmet.
Yeah, because a Le Mans winner has no driving experience. rolleyes

Callum43

181 posts

24 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Like many others I question why Verstappen is viewed as being at the early part of his career. Seven years in now and I think he is what he will always be but , maybe , a championship will round off a few corners .
There is much too him that doesn’t sit well with me but leave aside Hamilton and he is the class of the field and both are operating at a different level to the rest .
With Russell’s big test due next year and , hopefully he will rise to it , becoming a long term threat to Verstappen’s superiority because the rest of the young guns aren’t filling me with great hopes .
If he makes the right choice of car at the right time he can probably dominate for several years post Lewis. Please George soothe away my lingering doubts about you and rise to it for so many of us out here . Orange is not my favourite colour .

Gazzab

19,267 posts

254 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Hamilton and Verstappen are head and shoulders above their teammates. It’s not so easy to compare them to the top midfield drivers. But I suspect that given a chance there are maybe 2 or 3 drivers further down the order who could hold their own (or certainly better than Perez and Bottas).

angrymoby

1,638 posts

150 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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sdh2903 said:
The whole spat with alonso (yes I know alonso paid a huge childish part) all started by Lewis breaking an agreement.
probably because there was certainly no agreement pre Hungary (you can check the previous qualifying to see that they definitely weren't fuel burning in turns)

any attempt to subsequently introduce team orders whilst Alonso was asking & politicking in the background (& Lewis knew this) for no.1 status, whilst being behind in the championship was always going to end in tears