Max Verstappen
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I think we're lucky to be witnessing one of the best and closest championships and 2 fabulous drivers going at it. I'm not a Lewis fan but you can't deny the sheer ability and temperament. His temperament that will win him number 8. Max just doesn't have the ability to back out and 'fight another day' although there was a glimpse today on lap 1. His time will come though. He's too good not to be world champion. Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
It will be intreagueing to see after the dust settles on this season what Mercedes actually have found/upgraded/unlocked on their car as they were nowhere on pace. To swing a half second disadvantage to a half second advantage is quite something. Especially as they allegedly stopped bringing upgrades some time ago.
Also the gulf between LH and MV to the rest of the field is quite astounding.
It will be intreagueing to see after the dust settles on this season what Mercedes actually have found/upgraded/unlocked on their car as they were nowhere on pace. To swing a half second disadvantage to a half second advantage is quite something. Especially as they allegedly stopped bringing upgrades some time ago.
Also the gulf between LH and MV to the rest of the field is quite astounding.
mattikake said:
sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.Other than that I've loved every minute of his career, and am deeply grateful for 14 years of entertainment. His 1st year in F1 was the best 1st year performance i've ever seen, and I still find those races bloody entertaining to watch.
It's interesting that all his then rivals have fallen by the wayside, and the current bunch of young drivers are having to operate at the highest level to beat him. After 14 years. Quite incredible.
elanfan said:
What’s the betting that Verstappen will take Lewis out a la Schumaker if things aren’t going his way and he can win the title by doing so. I think it’s definitely in his nature.
In the past, I'd have agreed but I sense a certain maturity finally descending on Max. The same cannot be said for his team.They've lost a bit on momentum at a critical time in the season and are clearly rattled.
mattikake said:
sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.HTP99 said:
I read that line late last night and couldn't be bothered to fart around and quote it but same here please remind me when Lewis behaved like a petulant brat, the same as Max does, as I just can't recall?
I take it no one watched the 2007 season?The whole spat with alonso (yes I know alonso paid a huge childish part) all started by Lewis breaking an agreement. There were numerous occasions throughout that season where Lewis threw his toys out of the pram. Thing was, he learnt from it and the rest is history. Although a little resurfaced in 2016 with rosberg. But again I put the majority of that in rosbergs camp as he realised he had no chance against Lewis unless he got his elbows out (and better reliability)
I'm not a Lewis basher by any means so the guard dogs can stand down. But he's no saint. None of them are. Look at some of the most revered successful drivers in history, they've all had moments they probably wouldn't look back on with great pride.
HTP99 said:
mattikake said:
sdh2903 said:
Don't forget Lewis was a petulant brat when he came in to f1 at a much later age than max.
Was he? I must've forgotten. Please remind me of the evidence for that.llewop said:
I'd change your second sentence to 'with his talent he feels he deserves to win the title'.
Those three races show that he hasn't really changed his driving from his early days, just mostly others (including Hamilton) have learnt that to finish, first you need to not be on the bit of road Max has set his eye on....
He does race like an entitled spoilt brat because he is - Horner and Marko enable his petulance and aggression rather than try to temper and moderate it.
Jackie Stewart said Max still needs to grow up, how come Red Bull listen to Helmuth (no point(s) Marko and not the likes of Jackie (3 times world champion) Stewart ??Those three races show that he hasn't really changed his driving from his early days, just mostly others (including Hamilton) have learnt that to finish, first you need to not be on the bit of road Max has set his eye on....
He does race like an entitled spoilt brat because he is - Horner and Marko enable his petulance and aggression rather than try to temper and moderate it.
hot metal said:
Jackie Stewart said Max still needs to grow up, how come Red Bull listen to Helmuth (no point(s) Marko and not the likes of Jackie (3 times world champion) Stewart ??
Is that the same J. Stewart, who ran that massively succesfull F1 team? 
Marko is an attorney, won Le Mans in a 917, held the absolute lap record at the Targa Florio and would've probably gotten some F1 points, if he didn't lose his eyesight, through no fault of his own.
Not that it should matter, because he's simply a better manager and teamboss.
TheInternet said:
NAS said:
Is that the same J. Stewart, who ran that massively succesfull F1 team?
They're actually doing reasonably well these days.So, probably better placed to comment on driving standards, than Helmet.
Tommo87 said:
TheInternet said:
NAS said:
Is that the same J. Stewart, who ran that massively succesfull F1 team?
They're actually doing reasonably well these days.So, probably better placed to comment on driving standards, than Helmet.
Like many others I question why Verstappen is viewed as being at the early part of his career. Seven years in now and I think he is what he will always be but , maybe , a championship will round off a few corners .
There is much too him that doesn’t sit well with me but leave aside Hamilton and he is the class of the field and both are operating at a different level to the rest .
With Russell’s big test due next year and , hopefully he will rise to it , becoming a long term threat to Verstappen’s superiority because the rest of the young guns aren’t filling me with great hopes .
If he makes the right choice of car at the right time he can probably dominate for several years post Lewis. Please George soothe away my lingering doubts about you and rise to it for so many of us out here . Orange is not my favourite colour .
There is much too him that doesn’t sit well with me but leave aside Hamilton and he is the class of the field and both are operating at a different level to the rest .
With Russell’s big test due next year and , hopefully he will rise to it , becoming a long term threat to Verstappen’s superiority because the rest of the young guns aren’t filling me with great hopes .
If he makes the right choice of car at the right time he can probably dominate for several years post Lewis. Please George soothe away my lingering doubts about you and rise to it for so many of us out here . Orange is not my favourite colour .
Hamilton and Verstappen are head and shoulders above their teammates. It’s not so easy to compare them to the top midfield drivers. But I suspect that given a chance there are maybe 2 or 3 drivers further down the order who could hold their own (or certainly better than Perez and Bottas).
sdh2903 said:
The whole spat with alonso (yes I know alonso paid a huge childish part) all started by Lewis breaking an agreement.
probably because there was certainly no agreement pre Hungary (you can check the previous qualifying to see that they definitely weren't fuel burning in turns)any attempt to subsequently introduce team orders whilst Alonso was asking & politicking in the background (& Lewis knew this) for no.1 status, whilst being behind in the championship was always going to end in tears
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