Wiliams documentary film

Wiliams documentary film

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Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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coppice said:
To be fair, this was not a revelation but very well known at the time - but obviously is useful narrative for those younger than me , who first saw a Williams F1 car in 1972... FW is an easy man to admire , but much harder to like , frankly. As his late wife's book (which, shamefully , he hasn't even read) also highlighted , Frank was very adept at running fast and loose with creditors, ripping off buyers and so on - I know this sort of stuff isn't uncommon in the sport but I don't find it endearing .
Virginia's book 'a different kind of life' also has a lot of information about the crash and it's aftermath. She comes across as a bit lightweight but Frank as someone who takes self belief and ambition to extremes, not even deliberately selfish, just obsessed.

Chimune

3,182 posts

224 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Just watching this.
Agree with the above.

Odd footage of cars driving through 1960s Corbridge Northumberland, whilst talking about Franks boarding school days in Dumfrieshire!

swisstoni

17,032 posts

280 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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It looks like a brilliant doco. I’ll have to watch it from the beginning to do it justice.

Chimune

3,182 posts

224 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Ha Old Nigel M doesn't come across very well!

SydneyBridge

8,631 posts

159 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Excellent so far and yes Mansell was not popular...
Lovely to see some race footage

MB140

4,076 posts

104 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Watching it about 30 mins behind on record. Very interesting watch. Claire comes across exceptionally well and very humble. Frank terribly stoic and stiff upper lip.

swisstoni

17,032 posts

280 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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I seem to have something in my eye.

Chimune

3,182 posts

224 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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The dramatisation of Franks accident is a bit weird. Like it was made some time ago and they had promised that would use it.
Luckily the footage of Joan talking synced to the audio was ace.

Just had a thought tho.... That was real wasn't it? bks, I don't think it was!

coppice

8,623 posts

145 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Nothing I have ever read about Virginia suggests 'lightweight' ...She sounded formidable, if not universally likeable , judging by her book

schmalex

13,616 posts

207 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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FW came across as somewhat on the spectrum (both before and after his accident) and appeared he possessed absolutely no emotional intelligence.

Oddly, there was no mention of the 3rd child. Jamie. Wonder what he chose to do.

Claire came across superbly and is a natural leader.

Norfolkit

2,394 posts

191 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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coppice said:
Nothing I have ever read about Virginia suggests 'lightweight' ...She sounded formidable, if not universally likeable , judging by her book
Joe Saward's take on Virginia Williams, I don't think "lightweight" comes into it.

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/ginny-w...

ralphrj

3,533 posts

192 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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schmalex said:
Oddly, there was no mention of the 3rd child. Jamie. Wonder what he chose to do.
He co-owns a record company.

Bonefish Blues

26,805 posts

224 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Not an impression I took away from the film, either. The openly expressed bitterness from one sibling to another surprised and disappointed in equal measure. A fascinating watch.

ralphrj

3,533 posts

192 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Motor Sport magazine ran an article a few years ago that shed some light on just how ruthless Frank was in the early years.

I can't recall the exact year it occurred, probably 71 or 72, but during his first attempt to get into F1 (Frank Williams Racing Cars) the team ran a customer March chassis and shared a lock up with another small F1 team (who also ran a customer March). Frank's driver crashed the car and it was never the same again. The results got worse and faced with the collapse of his team, Frank and his mechanics stayed late one night after the other team had packed up and broke into the other garage, swapped the chassis over and rebuilt both cars. Come the next race the other team found themselves unable to compete with a car that just didn't feel right and soon folded.

Frank Williams Racing Cars soldiered on until 1976 when Frank sold a controlling stake to Walter Wolf. Frank left to team at the end of the year and set up Williams Grand Prix Engineering in 1977.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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ralphrj said:
Motor Sport magazine ran an article a few years ago that shed some light on just how ruthless Frank was in the early years.

I can't recall the exact year it occurred, probably 71 or 72, but during his first attempt to get into F1 (Frank Williams Racing Cars) the team ran a customer March chassis and shared a lock up with another small F1 team (who also ran a customer March). Frank's driver crashed the car and it was never the same again. The results got worse and faced with the collapse of his team, Frank and his mechanics stayed late one night after the other team had packed up and broke into the other garage, swapped the chassis over and rebuilt both cars. Come the next race the other team found themselves unable to compete with a car that just didn't feel right and soon folded.

Frank Williams Racing Cars soldiered on until 1976 when Frank sold a controlling stake to Walter Wolf. Frank left to team at the end of the year and set up Williams Grand Prix Engineering in 1977.
As someone who builds that era of F1 cars for a living, that story is complete bks.

I have also rebuilt the last frank Williams racing car, FW05 (which was a Hesketh 308c with some mods) and the first Williams grand prix engineering car, (which was a March 761 with some mods)

Tony1963

4,786 posts

163 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Bonefish Blues said:
Not an impression I took away from the film, either. The openly expressed bitterness from one sibling to another surprised and disappointed in equal measure. A fascinating watch.
I chatted with someone earlier who was in the documentary. He recalled once having to lift a very young Jonny off Claire as he had his knee on her throat and she had turned blue.

The bitterness goes to the core of them, I suppose, and they’re probably better off keeping away from each other. Been there with my brother, everyone is happier without the arguments.

skinny

5,269 posts

236 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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I don't want to speak ill of someone I don't know but is there something up with the brother, the one who lives down in the dark parts basement?

Tony1963

4,786 posts

163 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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skinny said:
I don't want to speak ill of someone I don't know but is there something up with the brother, the one who lives down in the dark parts basement?
Well, he did come across as the child that gets hidden away. I’m sure he’s fine really, in his own special way.

Bonefish Blues

26,805 posts

224 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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No participation by the third sibling, I noted. I assume no connection with the family business?

Tony1963

4,786 posts

163 months

Sunday 17th February 2019
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Bonefish Blues said:
No participation by the third sibling, I noted. I assume no connection with the family business?
See the post at 10.36am today.