WDC's vs WDC's in the same car?

[angrymoby]

One for the statisticians (& old timers) & in light of the recent press conference question about having Alonso as a teammate

Of those drivers that have claimed a WDC, how many of them have managed to beat over a season, another (current or future) WDC whilst they were teammates?

off the top of my head i've got:

Lewis Hamilton: 3 (Alonso, Button, Rosberg)
Nico Rosberg: 2 (Schumacher, Hamilton)
Sebastian Vettel: 1 (Räikkönen)

obviously more to add to the list & but is 3 the record?

[TheAngryDog]

Lewis Hamilton: 3 (Alonso, Button, Rosberg)
Nico Rosberg: 2 (Schumacher, Hamilton)
Sebastian Vettel: 1 (Räikkönen)
Jenson Button: 2 (Hamilton, Alonso)
Fernando Alonso: 2 (Räikkönen, Button)

Edited by TheAngryDog on Friday 7th July 12:43

[CanAm]

Again, just off the top of my head,

Jim Clark (Graham Hill)
Graham Hill (Jackie Stewart)
Damon Hill (Jacques Villeneuve)

[Mellow Yellow]

Prost did four (K Rosberg, Senna, Mansell & Hill)

[angrymoby]

Mellow Yellow said:

Prost did four (K Rosberg, Senna, Mansell & Hill)

good call

[wibble cb]

CanAm said:

Again, just off the top of my head,

Jim Clark (Graham Hill)
Graham Hill (Jackie Stewart)
Damon Hill (Jacques Villeneuve)

JV beat Hill over a season at Williams?news to me!

[Dr Z]

angrymoby said:

Mellow Yellow said:

Prost did four (K Rosberg, Senna, Mansell & Hill)

good call

Will post the full list in a bit.

Nothing to see here!

Edited by Dr Z on Friday 7th July 13:15

[London424]

Shouldn't Ham technically be 2. Yes he beat Rosberg, but not after he'd won the title as he ran away.

[thegreenhell]

Button beat Villeneuve over a season in 2003, although it wasn't technically a whole season as JV was dropped for the last race. Button was already ahead at that point though, so it should count.

[angrymoby]

London424 said:

Shouldn't Ham technically be 2. Yes he beat Rosberg, but not after he'd won the title as he ran away.

"current or future"

[Supersam83]

angrymoby said:

Lewis Hamilton: 3 (Alonso, Button, Rosberg)

Lewis Hamilton didn't really beat Alonso, they tied on points. 109 points each and same number of wins.

5 - Prost (Senna, K Rosberg, Mansell, D Hill, Lauda)
2 - Lewis (Button, Rosberg)
2 - N Rosberg (Hamilton, Schumacher)
2 - Alonso (Kimi, Button)
2 - Button (Hamilton, Alonso)
2 - Juan Manuel Fangio (Farina, Ascari)
1- Vettel (Kimi)
1 - D Hill (Villeneuve)
1 - Clark (G Hill)
1 - G Hill (J Stewart)
1 - Lauda (Prost)
1 - Farina (JM Fangio)
1 - Ascari (Farina)
1 - Hawthorne (P Hill)
1 - J Brabham (D Hulme)
1 - Rindt (Fittipaldi)
1 - Fittipaldi (D Hulme)
1 - Hulme (J Brabham)
1 - Piquet (Mansell)

Thats all I can think of so far

[Supersam83]

thegreenhell said:

Button beat Villeneuve over a season in 2003, although it wasn't technically a whole season as JV was dropped for the last race. Button was already ahead at that point though, so it should count.

Yes correct so

3 - Button (Hamilton, Alonso, Villeneuve)

[angrymoby]

Supersam83 said:

angrymoby said:

Lewis Hamilton: 3 (Alonso, Button, Rosberg)

Lewis Hamilton didn't really beat Alonso, they tied on points. 109 points each and same number of wins.

5 - Prost (Senna, K Rosberg, Mansell, D Hill, Lauda)
2 - Lewis (Button, Rosberg)
2 - N Rosberg (Hamilton, Schumacher)
2 - Alonso (Kimi, Button)
2 - Button (Hamilton, Alonso)
2 - Juan Manuel Fangio (Farina, Ascari)
1- Vettel (Kimi)
1 - D Hill (Villeneuve)
1 - Clark (G Hill)
1 - G Hill (J Stewart)
1 - Lauda (Prost)
1 - Farina (JM Fangio)
1 - Ascari (Farina)
1 - Hawthorne (P Hill)
1 - J Brabham (D Hulme)
1 - Rindt (Fittipaldi)
1 - Fittipaldi (D Hulme)
1 - Hulme (J Brabham)
1 - Piquet (Mansell)

Thats all I can think of so far

F1 has had the rule on count back for a very long time ...& for the very reasons you mention

[KevinCamaroSS]

Supersam83 said:

Lewis Hamilton didn't really beat Alonso, they tied on points. 109 points each and same number of wins.

What do the record books show? They show Hamilton second, Alonso third, based on count back as previously pointed out. Therefore Hamilton has 3, just like Button.

[Dr Z]

Having had a look, this is what I could come up with:

Driver	WDC	WDCs Beaten	Comment
Alain Prost	4	5	Lauda (1985); Rosberg (1986); Senna (1989); Mansell (1990); Hill (1993)
Lewis Hamilton	3	3	Alonso (2007); Button (2010, 2012); Rosberg (2013, 2014, 2015)
Jenson Button	1	3	Villeneuve (2003); Hamilton (2011); Alonso (2015)
Niki Lauda	3	2	Piquet (1979); Prost (1984)
Fernando Alonso	2	2	Raikkonen (2014); Button (2016)
Alberto Ascari	2	2	Farina, Hawthorn (1953)
Nico Rosberg	1	2	Schumacher (2010, 2011, 2012); Hamilton (2016)
Keke Rosberg	1	2	Fittipaldi (1980); Mansell (1985)
Juan Manuel Fangio	5	1	Farina (1951)
Sebastian Vettel	4	1	Raikkonen (2015, 2016)
Ayrton Senna	3	1	Prost (1988)
Jack Brabham	3	1	Hulme (1965, 1966)
Nelson Piquet	3	1	Mansell (1987)
Emerson Fittipaldi	2	1	Hulme (1973)
Graham Hill	2	1	Stewart (1965, 1966)
Jim Clark	2	1	Hill (1967)
Damon Hill	1	1	Villeneuve (1996)
Giuseppe Farina	1	1	Hawthorn (1953)
Jochen Rindt	1	1	Brabham (1968)
John Surtees	1	1	Rindt (1966)
Nigel Mansell	1	1	Piquet (1986)

I thought Prost had 5 originally including his pairing with Lauda, but Lauda nicked that WDC by half point didn't he?

EFA

Edited by Dr Z on Saturday 8th July 10:50

[thegreenhell]

Dr Z said:

Having had a look, this is what I could come up with:

Driver	WDC	WDCs Beaten	Comment
Niki Lauda	3	1	Piquet (1979)

I thought Prost had 5 originally including his pairing with Lauda, but Lauda nicked that WDC by half point didn't he?

So perhaps another WDC scalp to Lauda then?

[Supersam83]

Dr Z said:

I thought Prost had 5 originally including his pairing with Lauda, but Lauda nicked that WDC by half point didn't he?

Prost won the 1985 title with Lauda as his teammate. So it would be 5 for Prost.

[Hungrymc]

I was going to try and look at "how many times has a driver beaten a past or future WDC in the same car" as opposed to how many past or future champions they've beaten.... But it's in DrZs posh above.

[CanAm]

wibble cb said:

CanAm said:

Again, just off the top of my head,

Jim Clark (Graham Hill)
Graham Hill (Jackie Stewart)
Damon Hill (Jacques Villeneuve)

JV beat Hill over a season at Williams?news to me!

The winner in all of these is the FIRST driver. So D.Hill beat JV in 1996.

[DodgeeDave]

Hang on, what about if we discount races where the team mate retired due to un-reliability!