The Official 2017 British Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
Granted it was pretty obvious Hamilton had the race sewn up after turn 1, I really didn't think the race was that bad at all. Watching Bottas and Ricciardo making their way though the pack was good, and Vettel's battles were entertaining enough. Then there was the surprise of the punctures at the end.
Really disappointing for Palmer. I've given him lots of stick, but to not even take the start of your home Gp is pretty s
t!
Even F2 wasn't that great this weekend, with run away leaders and drivers finding it hard to pass. Even the Porsche Supercup was more entertaining to me.
Seeing/hearing the great atmosphere I was really tempted to go next year. But with early prices for weekend general admission tickets at £175, they can stick it! Shame.
Really disappointing for Palmer. I've given him lots of stick, but to not even take the start of your home Gp is pretty s
t!Even F2 wasn't that great this weekend, with run away leaders and drivers finding it hard to pass. Even the Porsche Supercup was more entertaining to me.
Seeing/hearing the great atmosphere I was really tempted to go next year. But with early prices for weekend general admission tickets at £175, they can stick it! Shame.
Well I thought it was an entertaining race anyway, can't understand the negativity? It's not fair to compare to the likes of BTCC for action, where the cars are going considerably slower for much shorter distances! Crazy folk.
By far the best news of the weekend was being told by my boss that we're going to Spa at the end of next month for the Belgian GP. Absolutely buzzing.
By far the best news of the weekend was being told by my boss that we're going to Spa at the end of next month for the Belgian GP. Absolutely buzzing.
hairyben said:
Did anyone else laugh at the "colour edition" pirelli tyres they were hawking during the race?
Mrs hairy was annoyed they arent offering purple, i just looked at the site, dont think our '04 330ci is quite their target market methinks....
They are available in a huge range of custom colours, no excuse now!Mrs hairy was annoyed they arent offering purple, i just looked at the site, dont think our '04 330ci is quite their target market methinks....
shirt said:
Norfolkit said:
lord summerisle said:
slipstream 1985 said:
Are you allowed to make the decesion before race control call it?
Yes, the information relayed over the radio is advise only, and doesn't cover every car that may be lapping another. It was made clear in the briefing Thursday evening that the FIA trust our judgment. The only change during the weekend was that the FIA chose to take over the lights for blue flag on Sunday morning, in addition to the in car system. Mainly as in many cases the marshal operating the light panel is 2 to 300 yards from the panel, and can't see well enough to blue (their position being determined by being able too see their yellow sector. )
It's usually pretty easy as long as you pay attention to the running order but depending on what view you have of the track it helps to be told what's coming up.
What i do (what ever the race) is have a stopwatch with a laptimer function, so i'll be timing the leader as they come past me - then that'll give me an indication of what time they'll be back round to me - racers tend to be fairly consistent in their lap times - so say on Sunday, i knew lewis would be round approx 1:30-1:40. I'll also memorize at least the first 3 cars colour, and the last 3 cars colour (never use car numbers, i cant see them at the distances i'm working on), and keep an eye on the time the last car passes me, so i can monitor how quickly the leader is catching the backmarkers.
For the GP weekend i do run a little radio to have the circuit commentary going on as well which can be a help. For instance during the F2 race on Saturday, the leader's wing mirror fell off on hanger straight. After i heard that on the commentary i had a look, couldnt see anything, got my binoculars out and could spot it just past the bridge, part way between the bridge and the next flag point - so put out the red/yellow stripped flag that tells the drivers to look at the track - surface change
Vaud said:
Do they have a replacement for FanVision yet at any circuit?
No but there are loads of screens (I think I read somewhere that there are 60 screens around the circuit) so you can see one almost where ever you sit. And the cars are so quiet these days you can usually hear the Silverstone Radio broadcast which is pretty good. Certainly if you use an FM radio you can hear it no problemlord summerisle said:
shirt said:
Norfolkit said:
lord summerisle said:
slipstream 1985 said:
Are you allowed to make the decesion before race control call it?
Yes, the information relayed over the radio is advise only, and doesn't cover every car that may be lapping another. It was made clear in the briefing Thursday evening that the FIA trust our judgment. The only change during the weekend was that the FIA chose to take over the lights for blue flag on Sunday morning, in addition to the in car system. Mainly as in many cases the marshal operating the light panel is 2 to 300 yards from the panel, and can't see well enough to blue (their position being determined by being able too see their yellow sector. )
It's usually pretty easy as long as you pay attention to the running order but depending on what view you have of the track it helps to be told what's coming up.
What i do (what ever the race) is have a stopwatch with a laptimer function, so i'll be timing the leader as they come past me - then that'll give me an indication of what time they'll be back round to me - racers tend to be fairly consistent in their lap times - so say on Sunday, i knew lewis would be round approx 1:30-1:40. I'll also memorize at least the first 3 cars colour, and the last 3 cars colour (never use car numbers, i cant see them at the distances i'm working on), and keep an eye on the time the last car passes me, so i can monitor how quickly the leader is catching the backmarkers.
For the GP weekend i do run a little radio to have the circuit commentary going on as well which can be a help. For instance during the F2 race on Saturday, the leader's wing mirror fell off on hanger straight. After i heard that on the commentary i had a look, couldnt see anything, got my binoculars out and could spot it just past the bridge, part way between the bridge and the next flag point - so put out the red/yellow stripped flag that tells the drivers to look at the track - surface change
Is there a marshal's thread tucked away anywhere on PH?
I did about ten years of it, at Brands and Snetterton in the nineties, and really enjoyed it. I would love to hear about things from an orange perspective, and have some funny stories to share.
Which brings me on to my point - that I have been wondering whether the people who seem disappointed with modern F1 are perhaps those who get their impressions of it from TV and never go to circuits. The camera angles chosen, the noise kept politely muted behind the commentators, the smells, the minuscule size of the cars once scaled down to fit on the screen, all contribute to the lessening of the spectacle.
I didn't think much of show jumping either, having only seen it on the box. Then one day I found myself in the front row at the Royal Tournament sitting literally within feet of the end of one of the gates. Believe me, the sensation of a ton of horse meat with a blooke sitting on top soaring over a six foot barrier that close is staggering. On telly it just looks like a cat hopping over the garden wall.
I never did a GP. I didn't enjoy big meetings much anyway, and I even packed in going to BTCC meetings eventually because of all the BS and lack of appreciation. (The last straw was being denied access to the foot tunnel at Brands by a jobsworth of a temporary steward on the way to my post. I was carrying a bag full of my bits and pieces for the day as well as all the flags in a bundle, and he wanted me to march all the way back to the ambulance gate at Paddock. I took the flags back to signing on and told them to poke them and drove home.) However, I was at Brands one day when Lotus turned up with Johnny Herbert and Mika
Hakkinen to do some demonstration laps. I found myself stood on the pit wall just behind post 24, so I was something like 6 to 8 feet away from the cars as they came past. Bear in mind Lotus were real tail enders at the time, and this was supposed to be a mere demonstration, but the noise and the impact of the air coming off these cars hitting you like a thump in the chest was amazing. What must over 20 of these things been like?
So, if you are watching at home, detached from the physical reality of the event, the only thing you have left is the overtaking. To witness it live, it seems miraculous these drivers can even get past eachother at all, given the brutality of the cars themselves. Take that away, and yes, it might seem processional. I suppose some detractors will be along shortly to say that they actually were there, but on the whole, I shouldn't be surprised if much of the criticism is from armchairs rather than trackside.
I did about ten years of it, at Brands and Snetterton in the nineties, and really enjoyed it. I would love to hear about things from an orange perspective, and have some funny stories to share.
Which brings me on to my point - that I have been wondering whether the people who seem disappointed with modern F1 are perhaps those who get their impressions of it from TV and never go to circuits. The camera angles chosen, the noise kept politely muted behind the commentators, the smells, the minuscule size of the cars once scaled down to fit on the screen, all contribute to the lessening of the spectacle.
I didn't think much of show jumping either, having only seen it on the box. Then one day I found myself in the front row at the Royal Tournament sitting literally within feet of the end of one of the gates. Believe me, the sensation of a ton of horse meat with a blooke sitting on top soaring over a six foot barrier that close is staggering. On telly it just looks like a cat hopping over the garden wall.
I never did a GP. I didn't enjoy big meetings much anyway, and I even packed in going to BTCC meetings eventually because of all the BS and lack of appreciation. (The last straw was being denied access to the foot tunnel at Brands by a jobsworth of a temporary steward on the way to my post. I was carrying a bag full of my bits and pieces for the day as well as all the flags in a bundle, and he wanted me to march all the way back to the ambulance gate at Paddock. I took the flags back to signing on and told them to poke them and drove home.) However, I was at Brands one day when Lotus turned up with Johnny Herbert and Mika
Hakkinen to do some demonstration laps. I found myself stood on the pit wall just behind post 24, so I was something like 6 to 8 feet away from the cars as they came past. Bear in mind Lotus were real tail enders at the time, and this was supposed to be a mere demonstration, but the noise and the impact of the air coming off these cars hitting you like a thump in the chest was amazing. What must over 20 of these things been like?
So, if you are watching at home, detached from the physical reality of the event, the only thing you have left is the overtaking. To witness it live, it seems miraculous these drivers can even get past eachother at all, given the brutality of the cars themselves. Take that away, and yes, it might seem processional. I suppose some detractors will be along shortly to say that they actually were there, but on the whole, I shouldn't be surprised if much of the criticism is from armchairs rather than trackside.
Roofless Toothless said:
Is there a marshal's thread tucked away anywhere on PH?
I did about ten years of it, at Brands and Snetterton in the nineties, and really enjoyed it. I would love to hear about things from an orange perspective, and have some funny stories to share.
Which brings me on to my point - that I have been wondering whether the people who seem disappointed with modern F1 are perhaps those who get their impressions of it from TV and never go to circuits. The camera angles chosen, the noise kept politely muted behind the commentators, the smells, the minuscule size of the cars once scaled down to fit on the screen, all contribute to the lessening of the spectacle.
I didn't think much of show jumping either, having only seen it on the box. Then one day I found myself in the front row at the Royal Tournament sitting literally within feet of the end of one of the gates. Believe me, the sensation of a ton of horse meat with a blooke sitting on top soaring over a six foot barrier that close is staggering. On telly it just looks like a cat hopping over the garden wall.
I never did a GP. I didn't enjoy big meetings much anyway, and I even packed in going to BTCC meetings eventually because of all the BS and lack of appreciation. (The last straw was being denied access to the foot tunnel at Brands by a jobsworth of a temporary steward on the way to my post. I was carrying a bag full of my bits and pieces for the day as well as all the flags in a bundle, and he wanted me to march all the way back to the ambulance gate at Paddock. I took the flags back to signing on and told them to poke them and drove home.) However, I was at Brands one day when Lotus turned up with Johnny Herbert and Mika
Hakkinen to do some demonstration laps. I found myself stood on the pit wall just behind post 24, so I was something like 6 to 8 feet away from the cars as they came past. Bear in mind Lotus were real tail enders at the time, and this was supposed to be a mere demonstration, but the noise and the impact of the air coming off these cars hitting you like a thump in the chest was amazing. What must over 20 of these things been like?
So, if you are watching at home, detached from the physical reality of the event, the only thing you have left is the overtaking. To witness it live, it seems miraculous these drivers can even get past eachother at all, given the brutality of the cars themselves. Take that away, and yes, it might seem processional. I suppose some detractors will be along shortly to say that they actually were there, but on the whole, I shouldn't be surprised if much of the criticism is from armchairs rather than trackside.
Enjoyed your post.I did about ten years of it, at Brands and Snetterton in the nineties, and really enjoyed it. I would love to hear about things from an orange perspective, and have some funny stories to share.
Which brings me on to my point - that I have been wondering whether the people who seem disappointed with modern F1 are perhaps those who get their impressions of it from TV and never go to circuits. The camera angles chosen, the noise kept politely muted behind the commentators, the smells, the minuscule size of the cars once scaled down to fit on the screen, all contribute to the lessening of the spectacle.
I didn't think much of show jumping either, having only seen it on the box. Then one day I found myself in the front row at the Royal Tournament sitting literally within feet of the end of one of the gates. Believe me, the sensation of a ton of horse meat with a blooke sitting on top soaring over a six foot barrier that close is staggering. On telly it just looks like a cat hopping over the garden wall.
I never did a GP. I didn't enjoy big meetings much anyway, and I even packed in going to BTCC meetings eventually because of all the BS and lack of appreciation. (The last straw was being denied access to the foot tunnel at Brands by a jobsworth of a temporary steward on the way to my post. I was carrying a bag full of my bits and pieces for the day as well as all the flags in a bundle, and he wanted me to march all the way back to the ambulance gate at Paddock. I took the flags back to signing on and told them to poke them and drove home.) However, I was at Brands one day when Lotus turned up with Johnny Herbert and Mika
Hakkinen to do some demonstration laps. I found myself stood on the pit wall just behind post 24, so I was something like 6 to 8 feet away from the cars as they came past. Bear in mind Lotus were real tail enders at the time, and this was supposed to be a mere demonstration, but the noise and the impact of the air coming off these cars hitting you like a thump in the chest was amazing. What must over 20 of these things been like?
So, if you are watching at home, detached from the physical reality of the event, the only thing you have left is the overtaking. To witness it live, it seems miraculous these drivers can even get past eachother at all, given the brutality of the cars themselves. Take that away, and yes, it might seem processional. I suppose some detractors will be along shortly to say that they actually were there, but on the whole, I shouldn't be surprised if much of the criticism is from armchairs rather than trackside.
Despite the widescreens, 4K. Surround sound, etc, etc, TV is really rubbish at conveying all sorts of sport.
swisstoni said:
Despite the widescreens, 4K. Surround sound, etc, etc, TV is really rubbish at conveying all sorts of sport.
Agreed.Anyone who hasn't been to an F1 race should go to one.
My first was Spa-Francorchamps. I was agog at how much the TV coverage distorts the reality of the track as much as anything else - it "flattens out" the track.
The hill from La Source down to Eau Rouge and back up to Raidillon is steep enough to make your calves hurt - on the TV you can tell it's a hill but it makes the topology look much flatter.
TV coverage makes Pouhon look like a normal corner (it's not: it's flat out and the cars are on the limit of cornering performance - a mistake here would be fatal).
Basically, F1 as an armchair experience isn't anything like F1 as a live experience.
Don't get me wrong: it's actually a lot harder to follow F1 races when there's no commentary or live timing in front of your face. You only get to see the cars once a lap unless you're watching a diamondvision somewhere, which goes against the point of being there.
It's still something that people should go and do, if they are interested in F1 at all.
CraigyMc said:
Agreed.
Anyone who hasn't been to an F1 race should go to one.
My first was Spa-Francorchamps. I was agog at how much the TV coverage distorts the reality of the track as much as anything else - it "flattens out" the track.
The hill from La Source down to Eau Rouge and back up to Raidillon is steep enough to make your calves hurt - on the TV you can tell it's a hill but it makes the topology look much flatter.
TV coverage makes Pouhon look like a normal corner (it's not: it's flat out and the cars are on the limit of cornering performance - a mistake here would be fatal).
Basically, F1 as an armchair experience isn't anything like F1 as a live experience.
Don't get me wrong: it's actually a lot harder to follow F1 races when there's no commentary or live timing in front of your face. You only get to see the cars once a lap unless you're watching a diamondvision somewhere, which goes against the point of being there.
It's still something that people should go and do, if they are interested in F1 at all.
Not F1 specifically, so not quite the same, but I did go to Le Mans for the 24 hour this year and then watch the full replay (over the course of a week) on the WEC app when I got home. Best of both worlds.Anyone who hasn't been to an F1 race should go to one.
My first was Spa-Francorchamps. I was agog at how much the TV coverage distorts the reality of the track as much as anything else - it "flattens out" the track.
The hill from La Source down to Eau Rouge and back up to Raidillon is steep enough to make your calves hurt - on the TV you can tell it's a hill but it makes the topology look much flatter.
TV coverage makes Pouhon look like a normal corner (it's not: it's flat out and the cars are on the limit of cornering performance - a mistake here would be fatal).
Basically, F1 as an armchair experience isn't anything like F1 as a live experience.
Don't get me wrong: it's actually a lot harder to follow F1 races when there's no commentary or live timing in front of your face. You only get to see the cars once a lap unless you're watching a diamondvision somewhere, which goes against the point of being there.
It's still something that people should go and do, if they are interested in F1 at all.
l354uge said:
angrymoby said:
Ferrari have been fading since Monaco, with Merc winning 3 out of the last 4 (should've been all 4) & Seb's points tally had been flattering them tbh ...not entirely sure they'll still be in it by Abu Dhabi, or that Seb will even bag 2nd- hope i'm wrong 
Few hotter tracks coming soon, which favours the Ferrari. Hungary will be the true test to see A. if merc have pulled away from Ferrari B. Red bull and McLaren really have a great chassis.Vettel will have to sit tight, bring in error free performances from his side. If he's still within 15-20 points of the guy leading the WDC by Suzuka, it will be possible to fight till the end, IMO as I can see the Ferrari being competitive in Brazil/Abu Dhabi. It's turning out to be a fascinating year.
Hungary will be the only time for the rest of this year I'm expecting McLaren to qualify top 10, so they will have to capitalise on that and score points to take 9th back from Sauber. The rest of the tracks they should be qualifying near to the front of Q2 and hopefully pick up a point or two at best in the race (if the car holds up).
The average finishing position of the top 3 this year so far is:
Vettel=2.6
Hamilton=2.8
Bottas=2.67
Dug some of these figures from an old spread sheet. Some drivers (since 1981) who averaged similar in the 1st half of the Championship and how they did in the 2nd half:
| Year | Driver | 1st | 2nd |
| 1982 | Niki Lauda | 2.5 | 4.2 |
| 1983 | Nelson Piquet | 2.6 | 2 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1984 | Alain Prost | 2.7 | 1 |
| 1986 | Alain Prost | 2.6 | 2.5 |
| 1987 | Nigel Mansell | 2.8 | 4 |
| 1991 | Riccardo Patrese | 2.8 | 3.1 |
| 1993 | Michael Schumacher | 2.6 | 1.8 |
| 1995 | David Coulthard | 2.8 | 2 |
| 2000 | David Coulthard | 2.6 | 3.1 |
| 2000 | Mika Häkkinen | 2.7 | 1.9 |
| 2001 | David Coulthard | 2.8 | 3 |
| 2001 | Ralf Schumacher | 2.8 | 3.8 |
| 2003 | Kimi Räikkönen | 2.6 | 2.8 |
| 2004 | Rubens Barrichello | 2.8 | 3.5 |
| 2006 | Michael Schumacher | 2.6 | 2.5 |
| 2015 | Nico Rosberg | 2.5 | 1.9 |
| 2016 | Lewis Hamilton | 2.6 | 1.7 |
| 2016 | Nico Rosberg | 2.7 | 1.9 |
Bolded were Champions that year.
Edited by Dr Z on Tuesday 18th July 12:53
Tv does mute the experience as said and tracks look different, Austria is a track you don't get a sense of the elevation change unless you go like i did last year and gives a different viewpoint
I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
chris285 said:
Tv does mute the experience as said and tracks look different, Austria is a track you don't get a sense of the elevation change unless you go like i did last year and gives a different viewpoint
I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
When did cars used to be able to race closely? I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
London424 said:
chris285 said:
Tv does mute the experience as said and tracks look different, Austria is a track you don't get a sense of the elevation change unless you go like i did last year and gives a different viewpoint
I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
When did cars used to be able to race closely? I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
1971 Italian GP. Top five finishers covered by 0.061 seconds.
Roofless Toothless said:
Is there a marshal's thread tucked away anywhere on PH?
I did about ten years of it, at Brands and Snetterton in the nineties, and really enjoyed it. I would love to hear about things from an orange perspective, and have some funny stories to share.
Which brings me on to my point - that I have been wondering whether the people who seem disappointed with modern F1 are perhaps those who get their impressions of it from TV and never go to circuits. The camera angles chosen, the noise kept politely muted behind the commentators, the smells, the minuscule size of the cars once scaled down to fit on the screen, all contribute to the lessening of the spectacle.
I didn't think much of show jumping either, having only seen it on the box. Then one day I found myself in the front row at the Royal Tournament sitting literally within feet of the end of one of the gates. Believe me, the sensation of a ton of horse meat with a blooke sitting on top soaring over a six foot barrier that close is staggering. On telly it just looks like a cat hopping over the garden wall.
I never did a GP. I didn't enjoy big meetings much anyway, and I even packed in going to BTCC meetings eventually because of all the BS and lack of appreciation. (The last straw was being denied access to the foot tunnel at Brands by a jobsworth of a temporary steward on the way to my post. I was carrying a bag full of my bits and pieces for the day as well as all the flags in a bundle, and he wanted me to march all the way back to the ambulance gate at Paddock. I took the flags back to signing on and told them to poke them and drove home.) However, I was at Brands one day when Lotus turned up with Johnny Herbert and Mika
Hakkinen to do some demonstration laps. I found myself stood on the pit wall just behind post 24, so I was something like 6 to 8 feet away from the cars as they came past. Bear in mind Lotus were real tail enders at the time, and this was supposed to be a mere demonstration, but the noise and the impact of the air coming off these cars hitting you like a thump in the chest was amazing. What must over 20 of these things been like?
So, if you are watching at home, detached from the physical reality of the event, the only thing you have left is the overtaking. To witness it live, it seems miraculous these drivers can even get past eachother at all, given the brutality of the cars themselves. Take that away, and yes, it might seem processional. I suppose some detractors will be along shortly to say that they actually were there, but on the whole, I shouldn't be surprised if much of the criticism is from armchairs rather than trackside.
That’s a great post and you are quite right. One thing I would add though, having been to over 30 F1 races live, is that since 2014 F1 cars are massively less viscerally impacting that before. Quiet F1 is really hard to get used to, I think for me sort of like to going to see Star wars at the cinema and discovering that the John Williams soundtrack has been removed and replaced my music done by Justin Bieber! I did about ten years of it, at Brands and Snetterton in the nineties, and really enjoyed it. I would love to hear about things from an orange perspective, and have some funny stories to share.
Which brings me on to my point - that I have been wondering whether the people who seem disappointed with modern F1 are perhaps those who get their impressions of it from TV and never go to circuits. The camera angles chosen, the noise kept politely muted behind the commentators, the smells, the minuscule size of the cars once scaled down to fit on the screen, all contribute to the lessening of the spectacle.
I didn't think much of show jumping either, having only seen it on the box. Then one day I found myself in the front row at the Royal Tournament sitting literally within feet of the end of one of the gates. Believe me, the sensation of a ton of horse meat with a blooke sitting on top soaring over a six foot barrier that close is staggering. On telly it just looks like a cat hopping over the garden wall.
I never did a GP. I didn't enjoy big meetings much anyway, and I even packed in going to BTCC meetings eventually because of all the BS and lack of appreciation. (The last straw was being denied access to the foot tunnel at Brands by a jobsworth of a temporary steward on the way to my post. I was carrying a bag full of my bits and pieces for the day as well as all the flags in a bundle, and he wanted me to march all the way back to the ambulance gate at Paddock. I took the flags back to signing on and told them to poke them and drove home.) However, I was at Brands one day when Lotus turned up with Johnny Herbert and Mika
Hakkinen to do some demonstration laps. I found myself stood on the pit wall just behind post 24, so I was something like 6 to 8 feet away from the cars as they came past. Bear in mind Lotus were real tail enders at the time, and this was supposed to be a mere demonstration, but the noise and the impact of the air coming off these cars hitting you like a thump in the chest was amazing. What must over 20 of these things been like?
So, if you are watching at home, detached from the physical reality of the event, the only thing you have left is the overtaking. To witness it live, it seems miraculous these drivers can even get past eachother at all, given the brutality of the cars themselves. Take that away, and yes, it might seem processional. I suppose some detractors will be along shortly to say that they actually were there, but on the whole, I shouldn't be surprised if much of the criticism is from armchairs rather than trackside.
Any possibility that Lewis was sand bagging a little in practice? Trying to keep a little back for Saturday afternoon to avoid giving too much away to Bottas?
I think Bottas is a bigger threat than many give credit for, he's very quick and very capable. Even if Ferrari slip away a little (which I think it's much too early to say) Bottas will keep this championship interesting.
I think Bottas is a bigger threat than many give credit for, he's very quick and very capable. Even if Ferrari slip away a little (which I think it's much too early to say) Bottas will keep this championship interesting.
Hungrymc said:
Any possibility that Lewis was sand bagging a little in practice? Trying to keep a little back for Saturday afternoon to avoid giving too much away to Bottas?
I think Bottas is a bigger threat than many give credit for, he's very quick and very capable. Even if Ferrari slip away a little (which I think it's much too early to say) Bottas will keep this championship interesting.
I really like Bottas and I think he is proving to be quick and capable. I think though that when Lewis is truly 'on it', he has about 2/10ths of a second on all of them. And I mean, he really is at the Senna level on pure pace, I think. I think Bottas is a bigger threat than many give credit for, he's very quick and very capable. Even if Ferrari slip away a little (which I think it's much too early to say) Bottas will keep this championship interesting.
Having said that, if he has a couple of technical issues or just 'off' weekends as he does now and again, Valtteri could be right there in the title battle.
paulguitar said:
I really like Bottas and I think he is proving to be quick and capable. I think though that when Lewis is truly 'on it', he has about 2/10ths of a second on all of them. And I mean, he really is at the Senna level on pure pace, I think.
Having said that, if he has a couple of technical issues or just 'off' weekends as he does now and again, Valtteri could be right there in the title battle.
Just like Rosberg then. its yet to be seen if Bottas is as tepid in the wet as Nico or as shameless to pull similar moves to his Monaco slip up...Having said that, if he has a couple of technical issues or just 'off' weekends as he does now and again, Valtteri could be right there in the title battle.
VladD said:
London424 said:
chris285 said:
Tv does mute the experience as said and tracks look different, Austria is a track you don't get a sense of the elevation change unless you go like i did last year and gives a different viewpoint
I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
When did cars used to be able to race closely? I for one enjoyed the race on sunday, bit of drama and battling which is more than we have had at some races this year i thought
Past races were hark back to will not happen with current rules, the cars simply cannot race closely like they used to so you have to take the sport for what it is now and enjoy that.
1971 Italian GP. Top five finishers covered by 0.061 seconds.
I met the late Gethin in the 80s. He was running a driving school at Goodwood and I was in charge of my force's driving school. For reasons I won't bore you with, he took us out in a 4x4 Sierra on the open roads. The man was really quite scary, going for closing gaps without escape options. But fast, very fast. His reactions were sharp as well. He impressed my instructors, not necessarily a point in his favour.
He was only a little bloke. I saw him drive the Graham Hill Embassy Team Lola at Brands, although not very far. There was an aborted start during which Gethin's car suffered something terminal and he took over the spare car, set up for the 6'+ Hill. All I saw at Paddock was the top of his helmet as he went on the parade lap. Wisely he decided to abandon the race, won by the fabulous Scheckter, The reason given in the result for his retirement was 'physical'.
He was a very pleasant chap, very polite, very keen, but not comfortable to sit behind when driving, despite the ample leg room.
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