The Official 2017 Italian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

The Official 2017 Italian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

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Alicatt1

805 posts

196 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Dr Z said:
Well played Merc, in that case!

I can imagine the ad for Merc S-class featuring tech from F1. Where's sniff petrol when you need it?
Ahhh that's what the Blue cap next to the petrol cap is for on the last Merc I had

suffolk009

5,433 posts

166 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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Max to qualify well, then cause a massive first corner mess, taking out both Mercs and Vettel. Then Kimi can go on and win it.

More likely is:
One or both Red Bulls will have engine trouble.
Ferrari will qualify poorly after messing around trying to draft each other.
Alonso to qualify better than expected and then drop down to the back before parking it.
Jonathan Palmer will have some new excuses for his son's driving.
Ocon and Perez will give each other the cold shoulder.
Sky will devote another 45 minutes to pointlessly discussing Vettel's new contract.

DanielSan

18,807 posts

168 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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They'll do another Hour on whether Hamilton plans to go on holiday again or not don't forget

thegreenhell

15,404 posts

220 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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McLaren-Honda will decide ahead of FP1 whether to reuse Alonso's Spa engine, which was found not to have any fault to cause Alonso to retire in Belgium, or to fit another, further-upgraded engine. The latter will incur at least 35 grid penalties. Either way, expect Fred to be unimpressed.

ZX10R NIN

27,641 posts

126 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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I'm calling a Mercedes 1-2 for this one the track suits the silver arrows & in qualifying trim they have the edge still, the race will be closer but the LH & VB will prevail.

I know Ferrari have a new engine but I can't see them making a big enough step to actually make more power than Mercedes.

dazjstuart

32 posts

148 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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Yeah I doubt the times will be any quicker than last year, what they make up in mechanical grip through the corners with the bigger tyres they will lose in drag. Might be able to run less wing though.

I remember the 2010 race being fascinating when JB was running a thing like a barn door but had his f-duct and he got such speed through and out of the corners Alonso couldn't get pat him with his tea tray wing. Drs isn't powerful here either so it will be interesting to see what people do.

I think Mercedes will edge it, their top speed is superior, I think Ferrari were running a bit more downforce in spa which didn't help but you could here the Ferrari donkey running out of puff at the end of the straight where the Merc kept pulling.

hairyben

8,516 posts

184 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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Will be in attendance for this one biggrin will the radio 5 online commentry work in italy can anyone tell me?

f1_dragon

310 posts

225 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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hairyben said:
Will be in attendance for this one biggrin will the radio 5 online commentry work in italy can anyone tell me?
It should do - I reverted to the BBC radio app in Budapest when the F1 App lost commentary, it worked fine.

Drive Blind

5,097 posts

178 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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ash73 said:
could do with a dodgy stewards' decision to spice things up a bit, but that never happens in Italy.
was discussing this weekends race at work today. Colleague pipes up with the potentially biased italian stewards comment. 10 place grid penalty for a car that's not red, etc.

Has anything ever actually happened in the past to warrant this cynical view?

Edited by Drive Blind on Thursday 31st August 23:12

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Drive Blind said:
ash73 said:
could do with a dodgy stewards' decision to spice things up a bit, but that never happens in Italy.
was discussing this weekends race at work today. Colleague pipes up with the potentially biased italian stewards comment. 10 place grid penalty for a car that's not red, etc.

Has anything ever actually happened in the past to warrant this cynical view?

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 31st August 23:12

Italian stewards?

sandman77

2,424 posts

139 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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REALIST123 said:

Italian stewards?
Formula1.com said:

The other two key officials are nominated by the National Sporting Authority (ASN) of the country holding the race. These are the clerk of the course and an additional steward (who must be a national of the host nation). Both must be FIA Super Licence holders.

Doink

1,652 posts

148 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Interesting to hear Ferrari are using their new 3d printed steel pistols so are able to run more boost, let's see how this plays out!

PS how the hell do you 3d print steel?

Jabbah

1,331 posts

155 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Doink said:
Interesting to hear Ferrari are using their new 3d printed steel pistols so are able to run more boost, let's see how this plays out!

PS how the hell do you 3d print steel?
Can't see how a 3D printed piston will help run more boost. Isn't boost limited by fuel and oxygen? If you run higher boost you need more fuel otherwise it is too lean and leads to detonation. As the fuel flow is limited doesn't that effectively limit the boost, not the strength or shape of the pistons?

I'd have thought the only benefit of 3D printed pistons was the weight saving from a stronger structure using less metal.

ETA: 3D printing in metals using sintering:
Direct: https://www.3d-alchemy.co.uk/3d-printing-metals.ht...
Indirect https://i.materialise.com/blog/how-3d-printing-in-...

Edited by Jabbah on Friday 1st September 09:48

suffolk009

5,433 posts

166 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Pat Symonds talked briefly about the 3D print pistons. IIRC they use Aluminium pistons at the moment, because they weight less. The steel printed ones will weight the same amount as the alloy ones. Steel is better because you can get a bigger bang without damaging the pistons.

I'll have a quick look see if I can find a clip. eta:couln't find it.

Edited by suffolk009 on Friday 1st September 12:52

Jabbah

1,331 posts

155 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Tobi Gruner on twitter:

"According to AMuS information Ferrari will NOT run new engines at Monza."

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/90318109207267...

I guess that a stronger lighter piston may allow them to run a higher compression ratio. Interesting if they don't run the new PU this weekend. Wonder if an old PU with higher oil usage is better than the new one with 3d printed pistons.

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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FP1 best sectors:



Ferrari missing a couple of tenths in S1 & 3 but losing a big chunk in S2. The Force Indias are the quickest cars in S1. Seems Bottas is missing some time in the second sector too.

Look at Vandoorne's second sector. Quicker than the FIs and as quick as the RBs. The speed ranges of the chicane and the Lesmos are where the McLaren is good at...

How are the cars looking track side anyone?

AlexS

1,552 posts

233 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Doink said:
Interesting to hear Ferrari are using their new 3d printed steel pistols so are able to run more boost, let's see how this plays out!

PS how the hell do you 3d print steel?
Look up Additive Layer Manufacturing (ALM). Been around ages for metal parts, including the internals of jet engines. Allows shapes and properties that you cannot achieve using traditional methods.

rev-erend

21,421 posts

285 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Cant wait to see the battle on Sunday.

Ocon vs Perez.punch

Should be epic.

Man-At-Arms

5,907 posts

180 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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rev-erend said:
Cant wait to see the battle on Sunday.

Ocon vs Perez.punch

Should be epic.
they were in the press conference together yesterday
i wonder how that panned out !!!

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Friday 1st September 2017
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Man-At-Arms said:
rev-erend said:
Cant wait to see the battle on Sunday.

Ocon vs Perez.punch

Should be epic.
they were in the press conference together yesterday
i wonder how that panned out !!!
Seems they have kissed and made up...but both will want to destroy each other on track now. Hopefully not literally. biggrin



Meanwhile, Vettel has turned up in this:





Spotted the ultra skinny wing on the RB




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