The Official 2017 Italian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[angrymoby]

Derek Smith said:

Both teams have to husband their engines. Spa was, according to Hamilton, a real effort so the engine must have taken a bit of a pounding. The same must have gone for Vettel.

Vettel more than Hamilton, as according to Vettel they didn't introduce their final engine at Monza & it was the same unit used at Silverstone, Budapest & Spa.

Which might explain some of the 0.7s a lap difference

[Norfolkit]

angrymoby said:

Derek Smith said:

Both teams have to husband their engines. Spa was, according to Hamilton, a real effort so the engine must have taken a bit of a pounding. The same must have gone for Vettel.

Vettel more than Hamilton, as according to Vettel they didn't introduce their final engine at Monza & it was the same unit used at Silverstone, Budapest & Spa.

Which might explain some of the 0.7s a lap difference

Martin Brundle did a talk at our campsite in Spa again this year and he said something about rumours of one of Hamilton's engines having a problem (engine 3 I think) making it unsuitable for a race, couldn't hear him too well at the point but certainly that's what it sounded like, not heard him mention it on Sky.

[Sylvaforever]

Norfolkit said:

angrymoby said:

Derek Smith said:

Both teams have to husband their engines. Spa was, according to Hamilton, a real effort so the engine must have taken a bit of a pounding. The same must have gone for Vettel.

Vettel more than Hamilton, as according to Vettel they didn't introduce their final engine at Monza & it was the same unit used at Silverstone, Budapest & Spa.

Which might explain some of the 0.7s a lap difference

Martin Brundle did a talk at our campsite in Spa again this year and he said something about rumours of one of Hamilton's engines having a problem (engine 3 I think) making it unsuitable for a race, couldn't hear him too well at the point but certainly that's what it sounded like, not heard him mention it on Sky.

Was it raining at the time?

[rdjohn]

HTP99 said:

Haven't Ferrari admitted they will at some point have to take penalties, not so sure Mercedes are at that stage yet or they know they will have to?

They had turbo issues at the beginning of the year, but now claim that they are rotating their use, without problem. But they are using all four units

Component use after Spa

http://formula1insider78.blogspot.fr/p/blog-page_6...

[Vaud]

rdjohn said:

They had turbo issues at the beginning of the year, but now claim that they are rotating their use, without problem. But they are using all four units

Component use after Spa

http://formula1insider78.blogspot.fr/p/blog-page_6...

1. 2 Stoffel Vandoorne: ICE - 6 | TC - 9 | MGU-H - 9 | MGU-K - 6 | ES - 6 | CE - 6

Jeez...

[NRS]

DanielSan said:

jbudgie said:

El Guapo said:

Lance Stroll impressed me this weekend - very good qually in difficult conditions and no mistakes in the race. He may not have the natural talent of Ocon but I'd say he's now proved himself worthy of an F1 seat.

Yes, think he has just about got the measure of Massa now.

Massa looked pretty racey for the first time in a while yesterday he certainly didn't hold back with the overtakes.

Fair play to Stroll he's definitely improving and his quali performance was a genuine piece of top driving, more of that and he'll show he's worthy of F1. It does seem like he needs a bit more confidence when it comes to late braking, he could've held positions earlier on if he did that.

Driver of the day has to be Ricciardo though, that was a computer game style drive

When you saw just how easy (generally) overtaking was on the straight it does indicate there is not much point in fighting unless the race was near the end. You're just more likely to end up in an accident, and you'd be extremely unlikely to be able to hold someone off slipstreaming you for many laps in a row. Plus the differences between cars was pretty extreme compared to many other races, as shown by the gaps teams had. So it's probably understandable they didn't try late braking etc.

[Norfolkit]

Sylvaforever said:

Norfolkit said:

angrymoby said:

Derek Smith said:

Both teams have to husband their engines. Spa was, according to Hamilton, a real effort so the engine must have taken a bit of a pounding. The same must have gone for Vettel.

Vettel more than Hamilton, as according to Vettel they didn't introduce their final engine at Monza & it was the same unit used at Silverstone, Budapest & Spa.

Which might explain some of the 0.7s a lap difference

Martin Brundle did a talk at our campsite in Spa again this year and he said something about rumours of one of Hamilton's engines having a problem (engine 3 I think) making it unsuitable for a race, couldn't hear him too well at the point but certainly that's what it sounded like, not heard him mention it on Sky.

Was it raining at the time?

No it wasn't, it was Friday and that was a lovely day. But we were all at the start of a nice long weekend away and we were in the bar and the Jupiler tasted lovely (and it's 5.2%) so it was a bit noisy.

[revrange]

I think a pattern has formed, Ferrari can normally get their car going well at a circuit and can be hard to beat/competitive.

Merc, sturggle big time to get the car in the zone, they are now getting it in the zone more often than not. It was very much in the zone at monza plus ferrari dropped the ball, hence the gap looks huge. I think Spa, merc didnt get the best out of its chassis plays ferrari over performing.

Next up, i would expect to suit ferrari so mercedes will almost have to over perform to beat ferrari there.

Vettel will most likely need to take a turbo penalty before the end of the season so that is in the equation.

Overall though F1 2017 is still not the best to watch, even though in theroy we have 2 teams equally matched at the front which is a shame.

[hairyben]

So lets get something straight, the podium boo-ing; We were right in the middle of it (look for a burgandy lewis hat and a red bull hat right beside the big fez flag) and it was actually really good natured, total cheesy banter kind of boo-ing - lewis got that (and I thought ascribing it to merc power was not only poking fun but also quite humble at the same time), sad to see all the reports trying to make milage of it.

Actually was a great weekend, would recomend to anyone, the races we watched from grandstand 6 prima variante were all brilliant so y'all bh'n'moaners must have had the wrong channel. And on that note, I bet in 30 years when I'm a proper old bd and rosberg jnr jnr is fighting alonso jnr, people and media who werent there will talk in hallowed tones of that day when all the fans persevered in the rain for hours and hours in a tense atmosphre not knowing if they'll see some cars or not, before finally witnessing one of the GOATs make everyone look a bit st to take the all time qually record. And how racing isnt like those good old days.

[DanielSan]

Can just make out the Lewis hat next to the Ferrari flag

[rdjohn]

revrange said:

Overall though F1 2017 is still not the best to watch, even though in theroy we have 2 teams equally matched at the front which is a shame.

I would love Red Bull to be in the mix, and wish that Honda had been able to get their act together, but I sincerely believe this year will go down as a classic.

Ocon looks like a future champion to take on Max and Liberty have some solid proposals for when they have decent equipment. All in all, with PUs and Pirelli tyres, it will not get better than 2017 has been so far.

[oyster]

Vaud said:

HardtopManual said:

Whiting is a clown.

He isn't. He is highly experienced.

He is also probably more risk averse (as seems the whole FIA) after Bianchi's death - in fear of a corporate manslaughter case. They had plenty of daylight hours to run quali and refuse to be bound by TV schedules. Good...

The "show" is important, but so is corporate liability in an increasingly litigious world. This isn't F1 in the 1970s/80s and never will be again.

More to the point, if you go to a race weekend, what is worth leaving for to miss the possibility of the cars doing qualifying later.

Blimey, I'd stay till midnight if I had to.

[Flooble]

oyster said:

More to the point, if you go to a race weekend, what is worth leaving for to miss the possibility of the cars doing qualifying later.

Blimey, I'd stay till midnight if I had to.

Depends if you are getting utterly drenched or not I imagine. Bit different if you're warm and dry to cold and wet.

[Zoobeef]

Just wish they had some small plan in place. Even just a couple of some type of car that can drive in deeper water going round so we have something to look at.
Or as a minimum some decent footage to play on the big screens as 2 and a half hours of grosjeans was st.

[anonymous-user]

oyster said:

Vaud said:

HardtopManual said:

Whiting is a clown.

He isn't. He is highly experienced.

He is also probably more risk averse (as seems the whole FIA) after Bianchi's death - in fear of a corporate manslaughter case. They had plenty of daylight hours to run quali and refuse to be bound by TV schedules. Good...

The "show" is important, but so is corporate liability in an increasingly litigious world. This isn't F1 in the 1970s/80s and never will be again.

More to the point, if you go to a race weekend, what is worth leaving for to miss the possibility of the cars doing qualifying later.

Blimey, I'd stay till midnight if I had to.

Not a fan of Whiting after 1994.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 6th September 17:58

[HardtopManual]

oyster said:

More to the point, if you go to a race weekend, what is worth leaving for to miss the possibility of the cars doing qualifying later.

Blimey, I'd stay till midnight if I had to.

Because we were freezing cold, soaked to the skin and had already sat through a window where the weather was better than it has been at other times when I've seen cars run. If they'd said "quali is going to be delayed by two hours", we would have gone off to a bar or restaurant near the circuit and returned later, but the way they postponed it by fifteen minutes, then another fifteen minutes, then another... means you are stuck in your seat, and when you go to several races a year, missing one F1 quali session and one F2 race doesn't seem like such a big deal, although obviously I wish I'd been there to see Hamilton break Schuey's record.