Halo's; just when you thought it was safe
Discussion
corozin said:
What I don't understand is that if the halo is indeed the panacea to all racing head injuries which it's proponents claim it is, then why hasn't the FIA mandated the introduction of halos in *all* open cockpit championships from 2018?
- The FIA doesn't claim that. In fact, I think you'd struggle to find anyone who would claim that it is a panacea.
- The other formulae are getting it. F2 is getting it from 2018, as is F3 Americas.
Simes205 said:
Barry Sheene used to smoke on the grid!
I remember him complaining when he was truck racing that he used to put his fags and lighter down on the counter in front of him and when he went round a corner they'd slide over to the other side of the cab.Here's another bike racer enjoying a gasper.
Edited by Roofless Toothless on Friday 22 December 18:15
Simes205 said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Eric Mc said:
It was safer when they refuelled from cans. Indeed, it was so safe, the drivers could have a fag during the pit stop -
How bloody cool is that 
Nice find.
I despise Formula E but have to accept that V8 or V10 powered racing cars are not going to survive public opinion in the eco-friendly 21st century. Similarly we have to be seen to reducing the risk to drivers - and the halo does this. So any device that might reduce the kind of accidents that accounted for Henry Surtees and Justin Wilson have to be welcomed. Dan Wheldon, Jules Bianchi and, decades earlier, Tom Pryce may not have benefitted but any lives saved...
Quite simply the world will no longer accept our sporting heroes dying in the pursuit of glory - gladiatorial is a lost concept - we have to bite the halo bullet.
P.S.- Without doubt the greater risk is of a wheel to wheel accident launching a car into the crowd (think of the Force Indias into Eau Rouge this year) - when will this be addressed ??
moffspeed said:
Similarly we have to be seen to reducing the risk to drivers (...) but any lives saved...
Quite simply the world will no longer accept our sporting heroes dying in the pursuit of glory - gladiatorial is a lost concept - we have to bite the halo bullet.
What a load of ish, sorry mate. So are we going to ban all forms of bike racing since there's no greater risk than being exposed like you are on a bike? I'd start from banning Isle of Man TT, those nutters are insane and somebody has to save them before it's too late!!Quite simply the world will no longer accept our sporting heroes dying in the pursuit of glory - gladiatorial is a lost concept - we have to bite the halo bullet.
Open wheel racing is undergoing changes triggered by a knee jerk reaction aimed at appeasing certain groups.
8V085 said:
Open wheel racing is undergoing changes triggered by a knee jerk reaction aimed at appeasing certain groups.
The halo is a reaction to a law suit from the Bianchi family IIRC. As a legal entity they have to react, they don't effectively have a choice.The likely difference between F1 and the TT is that bereaved relatives of the TT have not (to date) sued?
Vaud said:
8V085 said:
Open wheel racing is undergoing changes triggered by a knee jerk reaction aimed at appeasing certain groups.
The halo is a reaction to a law suit from the Bianchi family IIRC. As a legal entity they have to react, they don't effectively have a choice.The likely difference between F1 and the TT is that bereaved relatives of the TT have not (to date) sued?
8V085 said:
That's what I'm saying, it's a knee jerk reaction, nothing to do with "making the sport soooo safe that we don't lose anyone". If they wanted to prevent Bianchi-like casualty they would have implemented something when María de Villota crashed during testing in 2012 in very similar fashion.
But my point is that it is not a knee jerk.It’s calculated and measured with no option to “do nothing” in the current world of liability.
8V085 said:
What a load of ish, sorry mate. So are we going to ban all forms of bike racing since there's no greater risk than being exposed like you are on a bike? I'd start from banning Isle of Man TT, those nutters are insane and somebody has to save them before it's too late!!
Open wheel racing is undergoing changes triggered by a knee jerk reaction aimed at appeasing certain groups.
"ish" in your view but I think you've missed my point completely. Open wheel racing is undergoing changes triggered by a knee jerk reaction aimed at appeasing certain groups.
With respect, the TT races aren't beamed into tens of millions of homes worldwide live for 20 + weekends a year. We live in a safety conscious and eco-minded age, however much we enjoy the rawness of our sport we need to move with the times. I am old enough to have heard the wail of V12 racing engines in their pomp and will always remember F5000 as my favourite formula. I am underwhelmed by the latest hybrid F1 engines with their MUGs, JPEGs or whatever they call them.
The big but, and this is not ish, is that if the sport is to survive we need to accept compromise - this includes hybrid engines and ...the halo.
moffspeed said:
8V085 said:
What a load of ish, sorry mate. So are we going to ban all forms of bike racing since there's no greater risk than being exposed like you are on a bike? I'd start from banning Isle of Man TT, those nutters are insane and somebody has to save them before it's too late!!
Open wheel racing is undergoing changes triggered by a knee jerk reaction aimed at appeasing certain groups.
"ish" in your view but I think you've missed my point completely. Open wheel racing is undergoing changes triggered by a knee jerk reaction aimed at appeasing certain groups.
With respect, the TT races aren't beamed into tens of millions of homes worldwide live for 20 + weekends a year. We live in a safety conscious and eco-minded age, however much we enjoy the rawness of our sport we need to move with the times. I am old enough to have heard the wail of V12 racing engines in their pomp and will always remember F5000 as my favourite formula. I am underwhelmed by the latest hybrid F1 engines with their MUGs, JPEGs or whatever they call them.
The big but, and this is not ish, is that if the sport is to survive we need to accept compromise - this includes hybrid engines and ...the halo.
The point is there's a limit to how much you can do to a thing until you make it look like some other thing that isn't the original thing.
Open wheel formulas are by definition "open" which has its risk implications. What happened to Bianchi was a procedural issue not an issue with the format. If we let the knee jerk reactions f
k with the format every time something happens the format won't survive.8V085 said:
... If we let the knee jerk reactions fk with the format every time something happens the format won't survive.
It hasn't. F1 is already dead IMO. It started its slow demise over 50 years ago when Jackie Stewart started to fk with the format every time something happens the format won't survive.k with it. He should know as well as anybody, that never in the history of the world, has anyone been forced to get into a racing car and drive it against his will.8V085 said:
... If we let the knee jerk reactions fk with the format every time something happens the format won't survive.
Exactly....... If the F1 lot ran rallying they would probably make rally cars resemble tanks following Kubica's accident. k with the format every time something happens the format won't survive.Poor grammar but hopefully you get my point
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