Halo's; just when you thought it was safe
Discussion
thegreenhell said:
The high camera view isn't too badly affected (apart from aesthetically), but the low angle shot is ruined...
High angle shot - halo block view of the front suspension which was always interesting to see how much/little it moved, as well as obscuring the view of the front wing so you can't see if there's any damage to itGiven that the teams are already looking at aero modifications to the halo, If it was decided that a wraparound windscreen attached to the halo was beneficial to the performance of the car, and assuming that the teams can manufacture and fit such a screen, is there anything in the rules stopping them from doing that at all?
24lemons said:
Given that the teams are already looking at aero modifications to the halo, If it was decided that a wraparound windscreen attached to the halo was beneficial to the performance of the car, and assuming that the teams can manufacture and fit such a screen, is there anything in the rules stopping them from doing that at all?
Yes - they are not allowed aerodynamics surfaces which protrude more than... I forget how far, 10mm maybe? from the halo structure. Re. the camera angles, surely they'll just mount a camera on the thing where the vertical bar joins the halo itself?
It's going to happen, unfortunately.
If the rules permit wings on Halos, wings on Halos is what the teams will try.
Presumably they'll use them to clean up the airflow over/around the driver and into the air box. Maybe they'll be able to engineer something that helps feed the rear wing less turbulent air?
If the rules permit wings on Halos, wings on Halos is what the teams will try.
Presumably they'll use them to clean up the airflow over/around the driver and into the air box. Maybe they'll be able to engineer something that helps feed the rear wing less turbulent air?
I'm not 'pro halo', but some of these 'anti' arguments are getting silly.
I'm watching old season reviews at the minute and currently on 1989. If anyone cares to watch and remember the old cars and liveries someone has kindly put them on Dailymotion free of the editing and butchering needed for them to stay on Youtube.
Thinking about the Halo. It's another frankly ridiculous example of the FIA and F1 authorities mandating a completely over the top, sanitised response to a bad accident (in this case, it stems from Massa in 2009).
What strikes me about the old races is that it doesn't surprise me in the slightest how little it takes the people in power to wrap everything up in bubble wrap nowadays.
In 1989 several crashes happened where impacts with barriers were simply concrete walls and the force of each crash is insane. The cars just break up on impact with either a wall or with each other and bits of bodywork and wheels and everything else go flying all over the show. At one of the earlier races a crash at the start caused an entire nose and front wing section to break off and fly into the cockpit hitting the unfortunate driver full on! Whoever it was was thankfully uninjured save from probably a headache and a stiff neck but it's eye opening to see just how far we've come safety wise.
Another thing that cropped up is the lack of speed limit in the pitlane. This is the most incredible thing because you've got tons of guys stood around trying to do their jobs whilst F1 cars are passing them by accelerating at full whack barely a metre or two to the side of them. How did nobody question the need for a limiter until after the awful events of Imola in 1994!? Or was it talked about and just never implemented? If anyone can remember it and say that'd be great. It's a potentially fatal accident waiting to happen and so preventable, it staggers me that nothing was done. Mansell in the Portugal race that year overshot his box flying in and then illegally reversed. He was shown the black flag on the straight but didn't see it and ended up taking Senna out at the first corner at silly speeds too.
Seeing this stuff and understanding the gravity of losing Senna. It doesn't surprise me one bit how over the top things have gone in the other direction. Every track sanitised, every next safety step for the cars OTT whilst we complain about the aesthetics of it all.
I love the old cars, the old engines, the old liveries and the old tracks too but it's unbelievably unsafe and it was just a matter of time before something on the scale of Imola 1994 happened. I'm just in disbelief that it took 8 years between De Angelis and Ratzenberger when there's a potential death almost every minute watching this stuff.
I hate the new cars, they're too long, bulky and ugly but after watching this stuff, I don't think I could care less about the Halo and maybe that's what is needed. They should justify it by allowing the old races to be watched by the masses because it's so clear why the psychology of extreme nanny safety is there nowadays.
Thinking about the Halo. It's another frankly ridiculous example of the FIA and F1 authorities mandating a completely over the top, sanitised response to a bad accident (in this case, it stems from Massa in 2009).
What strikes me about the old races is that it doesn't surprise me in the slightest how little it takes the people in power to wrap everything up in bubble wrap nowadays.
In 1989 several crashes happened where impacts with barriers were simply concrete walls and the force of each crash is insane. The cars just break up on impact with either a wall or with each other and bits of bodywork and wheels and everything else go flying all over the show. At one of the earlier races a crash at the start caused an entire nose and front wing section to break off and fly into the cockpit hitting the unfortunate driver full on! Whoever it was was thankfully uninjured save from probably a headache and a stiff neck but it's eye opening to see just how far we've come safety wise.
Another thing that cropped up is the lack of speed limit in the pitlane. This is the most incredible thing because you've got tons of guys stood around trying to do their jobs whilst F1 cars are passing them by accelerating at full whack barely a metre or two to the side of them. How did nobody question the need for a limiter until after the awful events of Imola in 1994!? Or was it talked about and just never implemented? If anyone can remember it and say that'd be great. It's a potentially fatal accident waiting to happen and so preventable, it staggers me that nothing was done. Mansell in the Portugal race that year overshot his box flying in and then illegally reversed. He was shown the black flag on the straight but didn't see it and ended up taking Senna out at the first corner at silly speeds too.
Seeing this stuff and understanding the gravity of losing Senna. It doesn't surprise me one bit how over the top things have gone in the other direction. Every track sanitised, every next safety step for the cars OTT whilst we complain about the aesthetics of it all.
I love the old cars, the old engines, the old liveries and the old tracks too but it's unbelievably unsafe and it was just a matter of time before something on the scale of Imola 1994 happened. I'm just in disbelief that it took 8 years between De Angelis and Ratzenberger when there's a potential death almost every minute watching this stuff.
I hate the new cars, they're too long, bulky and ugly but after watching this stuff, I don't think I could care less about the Halo and maybe that's what is needed. They should justify it by allowing the old races to be watched by the masses because it's so clear why the psychology of extreme nanny safety is there nowadays.
F1GTRUeno said:
I'm watching old season reviews at the minute and currently on 1989. If anyone cares to watch and remember the old cars and liveries someone has kindly put them on Dailymotion free of the editing and butchering needed for them to stay on Youtube.
Thinking about the Halo. It's another frankly ridiculous example of the FIA and F1 authorities mandating a completely over the top, sanitised response to a bad accident (in this case, it stems from Massa in 2009).
What strikes me about the old races is that it doesn't surprise me in the slightest how little it takes the people in power to wrap everything up in bubble wrap nowadays.
In 1989 several crashes happened where impacts with barriers were simply concrete walls and the force of each crash is insane. The cars just break up on impact with either a wall or with each other and bits of bodywork and wheels and everything else go flying all over the show. At one of the earlier races a crash at the start caused an entire nose and front wing section to break off and fly into the cockpit hitting the unfortunate driver full on! Whoever it was was thankfully uninjured save from probably a headache and a stiff neck but it's eye opening to see just how far we've come safety wise.
Another thing that cropped up is the lack of speed limit in the pitlane. This is the most incredible thing because you've got tons of guys stood around trying to do their jobs whilst F1 cars are passing them by accelerating at full whack barely a metre or two to the side of them. How did nobody question the need for a limiter until after the awful events of Imola in 1994!? Or was it talked about and just never implemented? If anyone can remember it and say that'd be great. It's a potentially fatal accident waiting to happen and so preventable, it staggers me that nothing was done. Mansell in the Portugal race that year overshot his box flying in and then illegally reversed. He was shown the black flag on the straight but didn't see it and ended up taking Senna out at the first corner at silly speeds too.
Seeing this stuff and understanding the gravity of losing Senna. It doesn't surprise me one bit how over the top things have gone in the other direction. Every track sanitised, every next safety step for the cars OTT whilst we complain about the aesthetics of it all.
I love the old cars, the old engines, the old liveries and the old tracks too but it's unbelievably unsafe and it was just a matter of time before something on the scale of Imola 1994 happened. I'm just in disbelief that it took 8 years between De Angelis and Ratzenberger when there's a potential death almost every minute watching this stuff.
I hate the new cars, they're too long, bulky and ugly but after watching this stuff, I don't think I could care less about the Halo and maybe that's what is needed. They should justify it by allowing the old races to be watched by the masses because it's so clear why the psychology of extreme nanny safety is there nowadays.
The only thing dying in F1 now is F1.Thinking about the Halo. It's another frankly ridiculous example of the FIA and F1 authorities mandating a completely over the top, sanitised response to a bad accident (in this case, it stems from Massa in 2009).
What strikes me about the old races is that it doesn't surprise me in the slightest how little it takes the people in power to wrap everything up in bubble wrap nowadays.
In 1989 several crashes happened where impacts with barriers were simply concrete walls and the force of each crash is insane. The cars just break up on impact with either a wall or with each other and bits of bodywork and wheels and everything else go flying all over the show. At one of the earlier races a crash at the start caused an entire nose and front wing section to break off and fly into the cockpit hitting the unfortunate driver full on! Whoever it was was thankfully uninjured save from probably a headache and a stiff neck but it's eye opening to see just how far we've come safety wise.
Another thing that cropped up is the lack of speed limit in the pitlane. This is the most incredible thing because you've got tons of guys stood around trying to do their jobs whilst F1 cars are passing them by accelerating at full whack barely a metre or two to the side of them. How did nobody question the need for a limiter until after the awful events of Imola in 1994!? Or was it talked about and just never implemented? If anyone can remember it and say that'd be great. It's a potentially fatal accident waiting to happen and so preventable, it staggers me that nothing was done. Mansell in the Portugal race that year overshot his box flying in and then illegally reversed. He was shown the black flag on the straight but didn't see it and ended up taking Senna out at the first corner at silly speeds too.
Seeing this stuff and understanding the gravity of losing Senna. It doesn't surprise me one bit how over the top things have gone in the other direction. Every track sanitised, every next safety step for the cars OTT whilst we complain about the aesthetics of it all.
I love the old cars, the old engines, the old liveries and the old tracks too but it's unbelievably unsafe and it was just a matter of time before something on the scale of Imola 1994 happened. I'm just in disbelief that it took 8 years between De Angelis and Ratzenberger when there's a potential death almost every minute watching this stuff.
I hate the new cars, they're too long, bulky and ugly but after watching this stuff, I don't think I could care less about the Halo and maybe that's what is needed. They should justify it by allowing the old races to be watched by the masses because it's so clear why the psychology of extreme nanny safety is there nowadays.
F1GTRUeno said:
I'm watching old season reviews at the minute and currently on 1989. If anyone cares to watch and remember the old cars and liveries someone has kindly put them on Dailymotion free of the editing and butchering needed for them to stay on Youtube.
Thinking about the Halo. It's another frankly ridiculous example of the FIA and F1 authorities mandating a completely over the top, sanitised response to a bad accident (in this case, it stems from Massa in 2009).
What strikes me about the old races is that it doesn't surprise me in the slightest how little it takes the people in power to wrap everything up in bubble wrap nowadays.
In 1989 several crashes happened where impacts with barriers were simply concrete walls and the force of each crash is insane. The cars just break up on impact with either a wall or with each other and bits of bodywork and wheels and everything else go flying all over the show. At one of the earlier races a crash at the start caused an entire nose and front wing section to break off and fly into the cockpit hitting the unfortunate driver full on! Whoever it was was thankfully uninjured save from probably a headache and a stiff neck but it's eye opening to see just how far we've come safety wise.
Another thing that cropped up is the lack of speed limit in the pitlane. This is the most incredible thing because you've got tons of guys stood around trying to do their jobs whilst F1 cars are passing them by accelerating at full whack barely a metre or two to the side of them. How did nobody question the need for a limiter until after the awful events of Imola in 1994!? Or was it talked about and just never implemented? If anyone can remember it and say that'd be great. It's a potentially fatal accident waiting to happen and so preventable, it staggers me that nothing was done. Mansell in the Portugal race that year overshot his box flying in and then illegally reversed. He was shown the black flag on the straight but didn't see it and ended up taking Senna out at the first corner at silly speeds too.
Seeing this stuff and understanding the gravity of losing Senna. It doesn't surprise me one bit how over the top things have gone in the other direction. Every track sanitised, every next safety step for the cars OTT whilst we complain about the aesthetics of it all.
I love the old cars, the old engines, the old liveries and the old tracks too but it's unbelievably unsafe and it was just a matter of time before something on the scale of Imola 1994 happened. I'm just in disbelief that it took 8 years between De Angelis and Ratzenberger when there's a potential death almost every minute watching this stuff.
I hate the new cars, they're too long, bulky and ugly but after watching this stuff, I don't think I could care less about the Halo and maybe that's what is needed. They should justify it by allowing the old races to be watched by the masses because it's so clear why the psychology of extreme nanny safety is there nowadays.
Regarding the pitstops at full speed. I remember watching this and just thinking WOW.Thinking about the Halo. It's another frankly ridiculous example of the FIA and F1 authorities mandating a completely over the top, sanitised response to a bad accident (in this case, it stems from Massa in 2009).
What strikes me about the old races is that it doesn't surprise me in the slightest how little it takes the people in power to wrap everything up in bubble wrap nowadays.
In 1989 several crashes happened where impacts with barriers were simply concrete walls and the force of each crash is insane. The cars just break up on impact with either a wall or with each other and bits of bodywork and wheels and everything else go flying all over the show. At one of the earlier races a crash at the start caused an entire nose and front wing section to break off and fly into the cockpit hitting the unfortunate driver full on! Whoever it was was thankfully uninjured save from probably a headache and a stiff neck but it's eye opening to see just how far we've come safety wise.
Another thing that cropped up is the lack of speed limit in the pitlane. This is the most incredible thing because you've got tons of guys stood around trying to do their jobs whilst F1 cars are passing them by accelerating at full whack barely a metre or two to the side of them. How did nobody question the need for a limiter until after the awful events of Imola in 1994!? Or was it talked about and just never implemented? If anyone can remember it and say that'd be great. It's a potentially fatal accident waiting to happen and so preventable, it staggers me that nothing was done. Mansell in the Portugal race that year overshot his box flying in and then illegally reversed. He was shown the black flag on the straight but didn't see it and ended up taking Senna out at the first corner at silly speeds too.
Seeing this stuff and understanding the gravity of losing Senna. It doesn't surprise me one bit how over the top things have gone in the other direction. Every track sanitised, every next safety step for the cars OTT whilst we complain about the aesthetics of it all.
I love the old cars, the old engines, the old liveries and the old tracks too but it's unbelievably unsafe and it was just a matter of time before something on the scale of Imola 1994 happened. I'm just in disbelief that it took 8 years between De Angelis and Ratzenberger when there's a potential death almost every minute watching this stuff.
I hate the new cars, they're too long, bulky and ugly but after watching this stuff, I don't think I could care less about the Halo and maybe that's what is needed. They should justify it by allowing the old races to be watched by the masses because it's so clear why the psychology of extreme nanny safety is there nowadays.
5:27 when Eddie Irvine has a practice pitstop with the Jordan team.
Check the guy with the fuel rig and just normal team clothes. Nothing to protect him. That that is stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SP7MyOBYdU&t=...
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