The Official 2017 Singapore Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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another 3 points said:
So StrapOn does it again and everyone blames Ferrari.
Thank goodness for YTube. I've rewatched the start so many times. It's clear as dogs balls that StrapOn came across to the right to try and intimidate Seb. Yet he says in interviews during the race that he drove straight.
If StrapOn drove straight, how the hell did Kimi manage to come up on his left?
He came across to the right and gifted Kimi, on his lightning start, the space to get alongside and ahead.
At which point StrapOn loses interest in trying to beat Vettel to the lead and turns his attention to preventing Kimi passing by moving back to the left.
But he's too late, Kimi has filled the space ahead, left vacant by StrapOn.
StrapOn hits Kimi and flicks him into Seb.
Funny how no one has blamed StrapOn for coming across yet the intire Sky crew immediately pointed the finger at Seb, taken in by the ...I drove straight...lie from StrapOn.
The cameras don't lie.
People might actually take you seriously if you stop referring to one of the drivers involved in such derogatory terms. Especially as it indicates a rather obvious bias and a desire to find a specific person at fault. Thank goodness for YTube. I've rewatched the start so many times. It's clear as dogs balls that StrapOn came across to the right to try and intimidate Seb. Yet he says in interviews during the race that he drove straight.
If StrapOn drove straight, how the hell did Kimi manage to come up on his left?
He came across to the right and gifted Kimi, on his lightning start, the space to get alongside and ahead.
At which point StrapOn loses interest in trying to beat Vettel to the lead and turns his attention to preventing Kimi passing by moving back to the left.
But he's too late, Kimi has filled the space ahead, left vacant by StrapOn.
StrapOn hits Kimi and flicks him into Seb.
Funny how no one has blamed StrapOn for coming across yet the intire Sky crew immediately pointed the finger at Seb, taken in by the ...I drove straight...lie from StrapOn.
The cameras don't lie.
I think Max was innocent in this... he's had his fair share of daft manoeuvres but this wasn't one of them. He was heading right to get a better line for the first corner. Vettel had a horrid start and panicked - heading left to stop Max getting better track position. Neither Max or Vettel knew just how great a start Kimi had had. Watching all the angles; I don't think Vettel can be punished any more than he has been by the result... this wasn't like when he drove into the back of Hamilton, behind the safety car, and then drove alongside to ram him purposefully again. This was a racing incident... but Max and Kimi are the least at fault.
NRS said:
This is another view - he is braking there, and yet there is no space in front of him, despite him hitting Kimi already. And of course this is a freeze frame. In reality he had maybe 1 second total to make the decisions, observe both cars and behind him, and make any steering inputs/ braking/accelerating. No one at fault, but a result of the squeeze.
Max cant go right because Vettel is there and he is getting closer by the millisecond.Max cant go left because Kimi is there, out accelerating him.
Max cant slow down because his front wheel is inside kimis rear wheel, they will impact if he does. Max cant unlock the soon to be interlocking wheels because Vettel is there stopping him moving right to make space, not only is he there, he keeps moving left towards Max making the situation even worse..
Max is a sitting duck, there is literally nothing he can do to avoid an impact with either Kimi or Vettel.
I cant see how you can come to any other conclusion there. For Vetell/Ferrari to claim its Max fault is nuts.
troc said:
People might actually take you seriously if you stop referring to one of the drivers involved in such derogatory terms. Especially as it indicates a rather obvious bias and a desire to find a specific person at fault.
It indicates a very juvenile sense of humour. There was a chap who used to post here continually referring to Jenson Button as Blow Job - JB/BJ=BlowJob !?!? In his mind he thought he was very funny, in fact he was tedious and thankfully he no longer posts. Vaud said:
Maybe time to ditch the silly useless mirrors and use wide angle cameras with A/R glasses in the visor or screens mounted on the edge of cockpit.
The mirrors are useless, regardless of fault in this instance.
Its been said before and I've pondered it before - an fia mandated minimal area decent view mirror could help a lot.The mirrors are useless, regardless of fault in this instance.
As for all the bickering...
verstappens name is proper mud in this house, I think hes dodged rights of passage/requisite learning experience in lower formula and needs slapping down a bit, and mrs.hairy is an aussie so her opine of the other driver in the aussies team cant go out pre watershed, but we both think he has no case to answer here.jsf said:
another 3 points said:
StrapOn StrapOn StrapOn StrapOn StrapOn.StrapOn .StrapOn StrapOn.
I hope you realise how moronic you sound and rectify your posts accordingly. hairyben said:
Its been said before and I've pondered it before - an fia mandated minimal area decent view mirror could help a lot.
As for all the bickering... verstappens name is proper mud in this house, I think hes dodged rights of passage/requisite learning experience in lower formula and needs slapping down a bit, and mrs.hairy is an aussie so her opine of the other driver in the aussies team cant go out pre watershed, but we both think he has no case to answer here.
I was sceptical of Max. I like him, give him Vettels car and equal billing and I wonder if it'd be partly like Fred v Lewis in McLaren. He's not as talented as Lewis was but he's got the neck and some ability that would beat Vettel I feel. Alot of the young drivers seem to be cowed and stifled. He's full fat. As for all the bickering...
verstappens name is proper mud in this house, I think hes dodged rights of passage/requisite learning experience in lower formula and needs slapping down a bit, and mrs.hairy is an aussie so her opine of the other driver in the aussies team cant go out pre watershed, but we both think he has no case to answer here.The main thing is he's good for spectators/viewing figures.
All IMO of course
I can't understand how there can possible be soo much controversy in F1 WITHOUT Lewis being involved!?...
I'd dread to even imagine the direction this thread would have gone if the usual lot on the F1 threads who literally froth at the mouth, just waiting for Lewis to fart before they start up a new thread was involved in this incident.
Some of their heads would have literally imploded by now.
I'd dread to even imagine the direction this thread would have gone if the usual lot on the F1 threads who literally froth at the mouth, just waiting for Lewis to fart before they start up a new thread was involved in this incident.
Some of their heads would have literally imploded by now.
Sa Calobra said:
I was sceptical of Max. I like him, give him Vettels car and equal billing and I wonder if it'd be partly like Fred v Lewis in McLaren. He's not as talented as Lewis was but he's got the neck and some ability that would beat Vettel I feel. Alot of the young drivers seem to be cowed and stifled. He's full fat.
The main thing is he's good for spectators/viewing figures.
All IMO of course
He's good. Sublime in mixed conditions.The main thing is he's good for spectators/viewing figures.
All IMO of course
I think he needs a different mentor/manager though than his dad (I might be mistaken but he is his manager)
Nico might be good to give him a more measured view?
pgh said:
Driver name calling - smashing 
Found this looped replay interesting viewing - https://gfycat.com/SaltyOddAcaciarat
Certainly not much reaction time available
You actually see Max braking to avoid being caught between the Ferrari's there, just his tyre is between the front and rear of Kimi's ones so it doesn't work.Found this looped replay interesting viewing - https://gfycat.com/SaltyOddAcaciarat
Certainly not much reaction time available
I would thoroughly enjoy seeing Max in the same car as Seb. Daniel was too much for him in the final RB year (though maybe performance clauses were also a factor) and Verstappen seems up to the challenge of his redbull teammate.
Max's early reputation for overtaki g whefe you can't overtake and not being afraid to overstep the rules seems to make him a real headache for other drivers.
I remember Rosberg (who everyone said couldn't overtake) talking about the stress when the team told him he just had to pass the guy, and he's been a thorn in the side of Kimi and Seb for years. And he seems to thrice in his "nothing to lose" underdog team. I had to laugh when he was questioning why Seb was so agressive when he has a championship to worry about.
Max's early reputation for overtaki g whefe you can't overtake and not being afraid to overstep the rules seems to make him a real headache for other drivers.
I remember Rosberg (who everyone said couldn't overtake) talking about the stress when the team told him he just had to pass the guy, and he's been a thorn in the side of Kimi and Seb for years. And he seems to thrice in his "nothing to lose" underdog team. I had to laugh when he was questioning why Seb was so agressive when he has a championship to worry about.
Athlon said:
Except Kimi's rear was behind Max's front and they touched when Max got out of the throttle to try and miss Seb's chop, look at the stills on this thread and you can see Max's wheel in front of the Ferrari rear, the lad had no where left to go.
by that point, he indeed had nowhere to go. But a moment before he had 3 options: continue straight/going right and almost certain collision with Vettel
turn his steering left and risk collision with Kimi, who he must have been able to see by then - which ultimately he did
back off and perhaps tuck in tight behind Vettel (or Kimi) making the other one 'the outsider' in the car-train into the corner, then hope to hang the outsider out to dry on a subsequent corner
But thinking about corners.... and angle of arrival: they all would have struggled to get round with much momentum (if they were to make the corner correctly) and there was also then the outside line pack of Hamilton, Alonso etc....
In all likelihood; Vettels swing right to left to block Max and Max pin-balling the Ferraris probably just meant the accident happened a bit sooner and at higher speed; hence 4 cars out rather than some frantic pit work to replace wings and/or tyres.
Vaud said:
Maybe time to ditch the silly useless mirrors and use wide angle cameras with A/R glasses in the visor or screens mounted on the edge of cockpit.
The mirrors are useless, regardless of fault in this instance.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131901/hamilton-...The mirrors are useless, regardless of fault in this instance.
Lewis seems to agree!
One thing I wonder is about the fractional turns of steering wheels is that it'd be misleading IMHO.
The track was wet and greasy, and just going in a straight line requires a lot of corrections as the rear wheels spin up randomly. And that's something you can only feel in the seat of your pants.
The stewards would have all the data, the exact car positioning, the throttle graph, the wheel speeds, the steering angles and everything else.
A lot of the he turned this way then that way conjecture misses out trying to keep 800bhp + at full throttle on the road and pointing forwards!
The track was wet and greasy, and just going in a straight line requires a lot of corrections as the rear wheels spin up randomly. And that's something you can only feel in the seat of your pants.
The stewards would have all the data, the exact car positioning, the throttle graph, the wheel speeds, the steering angles and everything else.
A lot of the he turned this way then that way conjecture misses out trying to keep 800bhp + at full throttle on the road and pointing forwards!
Dunit said:
I see that Mercedes fitted old engines for the weekend, Lewis had his Spanish gp engine and Valteri used the Monaco unit.
Wonder was there any damage to Sebs engine or the gearbox on Kimis?
Interesting although, perhaps, not surprising. It means they saw this race as a throwaway one. If an engine was going to go, this was the place for it to happen. No wonder Wolff et al looked so keyed up when LH went into the lead. They could not have been pleased to see Ricc behind and promising to push. Wonder was there any damage to Sebs engine or the gearbox on Kimis?
Perhaps Bottas was nursing his engine, short changing and stuff, thinking that if LH's did blow it would put him in the frame again - maybe under instruction to do so. Mind you, with his Friday and Saturday times that's probably way off beam. I wonder what they would have felt if LH's engine blew five laps from the end.
In all probability, the various pace cars must have helped. No lean running to shorten engine life. Even luckier Hamilton?
Thanks for that.
(Sorry to change the subject.)
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