McLaren to use Renault Engines
Discussion
Vocal Minority said:
They have exceeded their 2017 points total already, and are half way to the 2016 one - so whilst the improvement has been underwhelming, it is still there in fairness.
I still think they are setting themselves up for a fall with their 'you'll see the real 2018 car in Spain' chest thumping mind you.....
They've rather retracted on that recently, both AQlonso and boullier have conceeded that although they make make a step and hit their targets the other teams will as well. What is clear is that they recognise their targets for 2018 were set too low and they have pretty much said this.I still think they are setting themselves up for a fall with their 'you'll see the real 2018 car in Spain' chest thumping mind you.....
Still, its a big improvement over last year and should see them further improve next year with a proper integration of the engine/ancilliaries
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-targets...
Renault (and so McLaren) will be using a new BP/Castrol fuel mix in Spain, which should give them an engine boost. This won't be available to Red Bull as they run ExxonMobil.
Renault (and so McLaren) will be using a new BP/Castrol fuel mix in Spain, which should give them an engine boost. This won't be available to Red Bull as they run ExxonMobil.
ajprice said:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-targets...
Renault (and so McLaren) will be using a new BP/Castrol fuel mix in Spain, which should give them an engine boost. This won't be available to Red Bull as they run ExxonMobil.
I always thought McLaren were petrobas?Renault (and so McLaren) will be using a new BP/Castrol fuel mix in Spain, which should give them an engine boost. This won't be available to Red Bull as they run ExxonMobil.
Vaud said:
The paddock is small though, I guess he remains well informed?
Given a lot of what he says in that book is in direct contradiction to others it's hard to know where the truth is.I would be surprised if McLaren was still running things in exactly the same way as they were in Dennis' day. The shape and layout of the building is hard to change but a lot of the other working practices seem different now from what I saw in the McLaren documentary.
I'll reserve judgement on how well/badly they've done until they're running the proper 2018 car.
Kraken said:
Vaud said:
The paddock is small though, I guess he remains well informed?
Given a lot of what he says in that book is in direct contradiction to others it's hard to know where the truth is.I would be surprised if McLaren was still running things in exactly the same way as they were in Dennis' day. The shape and layout of the building is hard to change but a lot of the other working practices seem different now from what I saw in the McLaren documentary.
I'll reserve judgement on how well/badly they've done until they're running the proper 2018 car.
blearyeyedboy said:
^ Surely this year is his best ever chance of nailing the Le Mans 24 Hours? Very weak competition, major manufacturer backup.
Their car has to run for 24h at Le Mans, and they need to beat the sister car and all the non-hybrid P1 cars, as well as not getting involved in any incidents.Toyota have a knack of working out how to lose marquee endurance races...
Yes, I fear for the Toyota Jinx. (Sounds like a JDM supermini, doesn't it?) 
But at least this year, Toyota can work on making the car as hardy and tough as possible without feeling the need to push for every hundredth of a second.
Avoiding accidents and beating the sister car may be a challenge though. After all, none of Porsche's recent wins were by Mr M Webber. Not to mention that focusing too much on Alonso risks taking away from the team nature of endurance racing.
Don't get me wrong, what the F1 guys do is amazing but I'm staggered at the teamwork and toughness that go into a 24 hour race.
But at least this year, Toyota can work on making the car as hardy and tough as possible without feeling the need to push for every hundredth of a second.
Avoiding accidents and beating the sister car may be a challenge though. After all, none of Porsche's recent wins were by Mr M Webber. Not to mention that focusing too much on Alonso risks taking away from the team nature of endurance racing.
Don't get me wrong, what the F1 guys do is amazing but I'm staggered at the teamwork and toughness that go into a 24 hour race.
blearyeyedboy said:
Yes, I fear for the Toyota Jinx. (Sounds like a JDM supermini, doesn't it?)
But at least this year, Toyota can work on making the car as hardy and tough as possible without feeling the need to push for every hundredth of a second.
Avoiding accidents and beating the sister car may be a challenge though. After all, none of Porsche's recent wins were by Mr M Webber. Not to mention that focusing too much on Alonso risks taking away from the team nature of endurance racing.
Don't get me wrong, what the F1 guys do is amazing but I'm staggered at the teamwork and toughness that go into a 24 hour race.
Yep, was just looking at LMP1 entry list. On paper Toyota should walk it but only two cars and historic curse issues, hmmm, not so certain. Also, there are some serious driver line ups in the other LMP1 cars. I think it could actually be a very interesting race. But at least this year, Toyota can work on making the car as hardy and tough as possible without feeling the need to push for every hundredth of a second.
Avoiding accidents and beating the sister car may be a challenge though. After all, none of Porsche's recent wins were by Mr M Webber. Not to mention that focusing too much on Alonso risks taking away from the team nature of endurance racing.
Don't get me wrong, what the F1 guys do is amazing but I'm staggered at the teamwork and toughness that go into a 24 hour race.
I was reading the other day that at Spa, the #7 (non-Alonso) car was the significantly quicker of the two. It would have been on pole had there not been some sort of fuel system irregularity (on a toyota... ring any bells anyone? 
) . The part wasn't a performance differentiator, but the #7 car was forced to start from the pits a lap down (because the rules say that the infringing car has to wait until the whole field has done one lap....
Given that sort of lead the #8 car should have sailed off into the distance, but the #7 actually caught the #8 by the last pitstop of the 6h race, and then sat behind, based on team orders decided before the start (you race until the last pitstop then hold position).
Basically, of the two toyotas, the faster one is the one without Fernando.
Interesting indeed.
) . The part wasn't a performance differentiator, but the #7 car was forced to start from the pits a lap down (because the rules say that the infringing car has to wait until the whole field has done one lap....Given that sort of lead the #8 car should have sailed off into the distance, but the #7 actually caught the #8 by the last pitstop of the 6h race, and then sat behind, based on team orders decided before the start (you race until the last pitstop then hold position).
Basically, of the two toyotas, the faster one is the one without Fernando.
Interesting indeed.
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Given that sort of lead the #8 car should have sailed off into the distance, but the #7 actually caught the #8 by the last pitstop of the 6h race, and then sat behind, based on team orders decided before the start (you race until the last pitstop then hold position).
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Given that sort of lead the #8 car should have sailed off into the distance, but the #7 actually caught the #8 by the last pitstop of the 6h race, and then sat behind, based on team orders decided before the start (you race until the last pitstop then hold position).
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- 8 had gearbox temperature issues for most of the race from a damaged splitter so couldn't push.
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