Renault to terminate contract with Red Bull
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confucuis said:
What happens to Torro Rosso now?
They become a place to give young drivers a chance (for one or two seasons tops), as I think was originally planned. I don't like driver churn but it's great that a team exists to do exactly that, they'd lost that a bit by ending up with some very good drivers and presumably didn't want to kick them out, but I'd love to see them putting Gasly etc in the car.The interview with Horner on Sky is worth tracking down, end of the interview he denies any deal with Porsche and hints at Aston Martin instead...
From what he says he is also clear that he wants on a major change of regulations centred around bringing a change to the engine regs forward to 2019. He would be after getting dropped by Renault, but I do think he has a point, the championship would be much better if McLaren and Red Bull could also compete at the front for wins with Ferrari and Merc.
From what he says he is also clear that he wants on a major change of regulations centred around bringing a change to the engine regs forward to 2019. He would be after getting dropped by Renault, but I do think he has a point, the championship would be much better if McLaren and Red Bull could also compete at the front for wins with Ferrari and Merc.
CraigyMc said:
tankplanker said:
the championship would be much better if McLaren and Red Bull could also compete at the front for wins with Ferrari and Merc.
With equalised engines, Merc and Ferrari wouldn't win against RBR and McLaren.Equalised engines doesn't on it's own make everyone equal. I love that the teams build there cars over the winter to the rules and come race day there could be 2-3/10ths, maybe less, between the front runners. And then the arms race to the end of the season, finding more pace, bringing more performance for the next race.
Personally, in general, I like things the way they are... of course it can be boring and processional but it's also a tough sport... Williams, Ferrari, Renault and now McLaren have had periods of all conquering success and then fallen by the wayside. Ferrari got back there, Renault did then fell away again.
I actually like all the politics and manoeuvrings teams will do to get back that or stay there. McLaren stole Williams's Honda engines. McLaren thought Peugeot would be a good bet, eh no. Williams wouldn't give Newey a %age. We've seen how that turned out. McLaren/Ferrari gate... ouch.
Renault buy a team. Renault sell the team. Renault buy a team... Then we have Red Bull, all great while winning with Renault. Whinge for years until Renault see the opportunity to say eh, actually, Foxtrot Oscar... Will McLaren/Renault and Renault move forward... Will Red Bull maybe have the last laugh with Honda in the future? How would anything ever get equalised?
HighwayStar said:
CraigyMc said:
tankplanker said:
the championship would be much better if McLaren and Red Bull could also compete at the front for wins with Ferrari and Merc.
With equalised engines, Merc and Ferrari wouldn't win against RBR and McLaren.So much for "never has".
CraigyMc said:
HighwayStar said:
CraigyMc said:
tankplanker said:
the championship would be much better if McLaren and Red Bull could also compete at the front for wins with Ferrari and Merc.
With equalised engines, Merc and Ferrari wouldn't win against RBR and McLaren.So much for "never has".
I even said RBR/Vettel won 4 titles without the most powerful engine or the period... hence Ferrari and Mercedes refusing to supply engines to them.
rubystone said:
HighwayStar said:
We're saying the same thing...
I even said RBR/Vettel won 4 titles without the most powerful engine or the period... hence Ferrari and Mercedes refusing to supply engines to them.
I'd say that the Renault V10 WAS the most powerful engine during that period....I even said RBR/Vettel won 4 titles without the most powerful engine or the period... hence Ferrari and Mercedes refusing to supply engines to them.
By the time Reb Bull reached Successville V10s were history, they had Reggies V8...
MiniMan64 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Horner heavily insinuating Aston Martin to Sky on the F1 show there.
A rebadged Mercedes unit presumably?
Which is surely an insane idea from the point of view of the Merc F1 team! A rebadged Mercedes unit presumably?
MiniMan64 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Horner heavily insinuating Aston Martin to Sky on the F1 show there.
A rebadged Mercedes unit presumably?
Which is surely an insane idea from the point of view of the Merc F1 team! A rebadged Mercedes unit presumably?
rubystone said:
HighwayStar said:
Yes the Renault V10 WAS the most powerful engine during the period WILLIAMS had them.
By the time Reb Bull reached Successville V10s were history, they had Reggies V8...
OK then the Renault V8 WAS the most powerful engine By the time Reb Bull reached Successville V10s were history, they had Reggies V8...
king terrible.HustleRussell said:
rubystone said:
HighwayStar said:
Yes the Renault V10 WAS the most powerful engine during the period WILLIAMS had them.
By the time Reb Bull reached Successville V10s were history, they had Reggies V8...
OK then the Renault V8 WAS the most powerful engine By the time Reb Bull reached Successville V10s were history, they had Reggies V8...
Look what's going on this weekend, only free practice I know but RBR racing are up there with less power. No one would be surprised if they win on Sunday.
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