Red Bull - Aston Martin

Red Bull - Aston Martin

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Vaud

50,585 posts

156 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Jinba Ittai said:
The question is to whom and how? Aston Martin cannot afford to buy an F1 team outright. It is feasible they could reach an agreement whereby the team is 'given' to Aston Martin in exchange for 'free' sponsorship on the car over a number of years as Red Bull softly exit F1.

More likely that Horner/Newey buy the team with investors providing the money, with Aston Martin as the engine supplier from 2021.
Pretty much what Joe Saward said last night on a podcast.. Horner looking to raise VC cash to buy Aston. Renault next year and then uncertainty.

Jinba Ittai

563 posts

92 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Yes there will seemingly be a couple of years when they will need to plug the engine gap between Renault and the speculated AM/Cosworth/McLaren unit going in. The obvious choice would be Honda, I suppose, if AM are prepared to sit as title sponsor alongside them for a couple of years.

I can see absolutely no way that Red Bull will hold on to Ricciardo and Verstappen now. So I would hazard a guess that Ricciardo will throw his hat in the ring with Renault, which could be a very smart move, Sainz going back the other way and Verstappen will end up at Mercedes/Ferrari. I have a feeling that if Vettel doesn't win the championship this year, he will take some heat from the powers that be for dropping the ball whilst in a winning car. Could be the start of a falling out which leads to Vettel retiring and being replaced by Verstappen. If Vettel stays put there will be no place there for him so he will go Mercedes, where Hamilton seemingly doesn't mind who his teamate is.

tankplanker

2,479 posts

280 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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The current Concorde Agreement expires end of 2020, I'd expect the likes of Aston Martin to hinge the level of involvement with F1 based on how evenly split the F1 prize money is after that period. With a more even split of prize money, a cheaper engine and a sensible budget cap (all of which something Horner has been talking up recently, I wonder why) then it should become possible to be self funding rather than relying on a sugar daddy to fund the team.

I know Chase Carey wants to get rid of the Concorde Agreement but I don't see that happening unless they give/sell shares in F1 to the teams.

I'm not convinced that the new engines will be anywhere near as complicated as the current ones, and I wouldn't be surprised to see what ever hybrid components that remain end up being standardised off the shelf items to reduce cost.

sparta6

3,698 posts

101 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Jinba Ittai said:
If Vettel stays put there will be no place there for him so he will go Mercedes, where Hamilton seemingly doesn't mind who his teamate is.
Unless it's Max wink