The Official 2017 US Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[anonymous-user]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Where's the Mexico thread anyways?

In their Poncho.

[geeks]

jm doc said:

VladD said:

jm doc said:

geeks said:

Track limits are track limits, it should be the same for them as it is for us in Club Motorsport. I personally would have penalised the lot of them for it not just one of the incidents.

That said, there is a difference between leaving the track at corner exit and straight up corner cutting.

And the difference is???

If you cut the corner you're travelling a shorter distance. If you run wide you're travelling a longer distance.

But going faster.

And in both instances you are gaining an advantage, and overtaking can take place in both instances.

So no difference then....

Unless you pass a Ferrari of course.


ETA And whether you're overtaking, getting closer (as DR did cutting the esses on Bottas) or just keeping up with the guy in front, you are GAINING AN ADVANTAGE.

Edited by jm doc on Tuesday 24th October 15:12

You seem to equate going faster and further as an advantage, not always the case, if you run wide, you travel further, you might be going faster but the additional distance in most cases means you don't gain an advantage, cutting a corner is less distance, thus gains an advantage.

I still maintain I would have penalised them all. Well followed the proper track limits rules, one free one etc

[swisstoni]

I’d be happy to see penalties for 4 wheels over the line at any stage of the GP unless people are pushed wide or something.
Will it ruin ‘the show’? Only if drivers choose it to.
4 wheels over the line to gain a podium place is a no-brainier IMHO.

[HustleRussell]

Vaud said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

TheInternet said:

We already have a DRS function, can we not have a DIS system that kicks in for a few seconds should track limits be exceeded? Either on-the-fly or during the next DRS zone following a proven offence.

Probably unworkable but I like the idea of the DRS flap flicking up to slow the car and signal the indiscretion.

That's quite a good idea actually. If not a DIS system then losing DRS for a couple of laps per indiscretion. Ok I know DRS isn't live the whole race but still not a bad work around

Is losing DRS enough of a penalty? Maybe DRS loss plus a temporary power cap via ecu.

Losing DRS is not a solution, not in the long term anyway- Brawn and the strategy group are very keen to do away with DRS.

Anyway, like a number of others who have already said the same thing- I would find any overly complex technical solution to this problem involving somehow hobbling the car automatically and remotely, deeply unpalatable.

[HustleRussell]

Pressure sensors on the outside of key corners where it is deemed that overrunning the kerb may provide an advantage

Delete qualifying times on laps when the sensor(s) triggered
'X' warnings (number to be agreed), penalty thereafter in the race

Overtaking four wheels off to the inside is very obvious and a slam dunk penalty, no sensors needed there. Maybe an extra sausage or two at COTA T17.

[HustleRussell]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Where's the Mexico thread anyways?

Sounds like you just volunteered

[HustleRussell]

ash73 said:

geeks said:

if you run wide, you travel further, you might be going faster but the additional distance in most cases means you don't gain an advantage

Rubbish; if it was slower they wouldn't do it, simple as that. It does depend on the grip outside the track, but in most cases straightening the corner will be faster and you carry the speed all the way down the following straight.

HustleRussell said:

In my experience, going off track on exit is most often a method of mitigating the loss of time as opposed to a method of gaining time. Driver brakes too late or is otherwise too fast on entry, still has to pick up the throttle on apex or else will lose sheds of time, essentially choosing to run wide and maintain speed rather than applying the throttle later or more gradually. The loss of time is guaranteed before the apex and mitigated by using the kerb heavily.

[LDN]

ash73 said:

geeks said:

if you run wide, you travel further, you might be going faster but the additional distance in most cases means you don't gain an advantage

Rubbish; if it was slower they wouldn't do it, simple as that. It does depend on the grip outside the track, but in most cases straightening the corner will be faster and you carry the speed all the way down the following straight.

Ash is right. Going further but mainting speed is a massive advantage in many cases - as it means they are better set for the next straight. Maintaining speed / momentum is very often worth the extra few feet distance.

[amgmcqueen]

Did anyone else note when Ricciardo had a lunge up the inside of Bottas it was a fair legitimate attempt at an overtake. A few laps later it is 'under investigation'?!

I mean what the fk is this crap all about....? It is one of the most irritating things about F1 and must stop immediately! Having watched the MotoGP race hours before it made it even more embarrassing! F1 and the FIA are an absolute joke.

[kambites]

Didn't they hit each other? If so I'd imagine that's why it was investigated.

[angrymoby]

InductionRoar said:

Did you not sense the sarcasm in any of my posts?

If i didn't i'd be in agreement with you ...which i'm not

[SeeFive]

At Brands hatch when I used to drive around there a bit years ago, they changed the profile of the circuit at Paddock, but instead of increasing the gravel trap, just put a kerb in and left the old track in place as runoff.

This was soon found to be a quick wide line supporting a higher entry speed in many formulas. So what they did in a race was to put out a black and white diagonal flag for the first offence or two for an individual using that line, and then black flag you next time you did it.

It would be very simple given today's technology to police the F1 circuit limits consistently. The problem may just be lack of appetite to do so. The publicity and debate F1 has got from this is immense and probably valuable for the "show" even if not entirely positive for all consumers.

[RosscoPCole]

I've not read every post in this thread so apologies if this has been discussed already.
Do I remember correctly that in the not to distant past that the kerbs were lethal if you drove over them. Couldn't they be reintroduced so none of this 'exceeding track limits' would happen in the first place? Or am I being too simplistic?

Edited by RosscoPCole on Tuesday 24th October 20:32

[LaurasOtherHalf]

HustleRussell said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Where's the Mexico thread anyways?

Sounds like you just volunteered

I would, I was certain there was an F1 template thread in order for someone to copy and paste it each week but can't find it. If it's out there it really should be a sticky..

[glazbagun]

RosscoPCole said:

I've not read every post in this thread so apologies if this has been discussed already.
Do I remember correctly that in the not to distant past that the kerbs were lethal if you drove over them. Couldn't they be reintroduced so none of this 'exceeding track limits' would happen in the first place? Or am I being too simplistic?

Edited by RosscoPCole on Tuesday 24th October 20:32

I think you might be referring to "sausage kerbs". They were disliked because they could cause incidents like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj3r9xM9Dzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM0km3B_VyU

[glazbagun]

Actually, speaking of Max and track limits, didn't he keep his place at Mexico when he straightlined the grass keeping ahead of Vettel and getting a 5 sec slap on the wrist for it (think this was one of Sebs famous outbursts):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6nf2UzCAAo

So don't reckon he can complain too much this time.

[jm doc]

glazbagun said:

Actually, speaking of Max and track limits, didn't he keep his place at Mexico when he straightlined the grass keeping ahead of Vettel and getting a 5 sec slap on the wrist for it (think this was one of Sebs famous outbursts):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6nf2UzCAAo

So don't reckon he can complain too much this time.

Strange though wasn't it when a couple of years earlier, at Monza I think, Rosberg did exactly the same with Hamilton right behind and didn't get a penalty.

[Mr Tidy]

robbom3 said:

Come back Bernie. All is forgiven.

It may have been cringe-worthy, but even so I don't ever want to see that money-grabbing manipulative f*cker anywhere near F1 again!

[williamp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhoz9jzcCkE

I remember watching this at the time and thinking "well dont drive over it then..." but, if I recall they did change the kerbs so the drivres could drie over them.

[KevinCamaroSS]

As far as I am concerned the rules should be the rules. All four wheels off-track = warning, 2nd time = drive through, 3rd time or more then 5 second stop/go.